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Why bungalows for sale are so neglected?

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RusBun Sun 17-Sept-23 22:43:06

We have been looking for a bungalow in Surrey lately and got very frustrated with what we have observed being a trend.

Almost all of bungalows were built in the 1930-s and are quite small, typically around 65m2. They are in a really poor state and have not been updated for a few decades. Many show signs of utter neglect. Most of them have suspended floors, rising damp issues or damp and mould from leaky roofs and gutters. Doors and windows need changing, not to mention pink and avocado bathrooms and pine kitchens together with polystyrene tile ceilings. They have EPC of D or even E.

Whilst most of those faults and undesirable features are due to age, some are due to sheer neglect from the relatives of the elderly owners. We have seen plenty of probate properties still on the market a year later with dirty dishes still left in the stinking dishwasher, food left in the fridge and gone mouldy, kitchen units left dirty still full of contents.

The saddest one was a perfect in every sense bungalow, so well laid out and built, where the water butt leaked, stayed unnoticed for ages, created damp in the wall and eventually black mould took over the whole wall behind the built-in wardrobe. The doors were left open, and the mould spores disseminated all over the house, infecting every inch of surfaces, carpets and fabrics. This is how you get what is called a “sick building syndrome”. You will never get rid of that mould completely, the spores will make sure it comes back.

So on one hand, there is a real shortage of bungalows for the aging population, and on the other hand there are plenty of them but in such poor condition that nobody would buy them. Relatives overprice these bungalows in a hope to get a bigger inheritance, so the buildings sit empty for over a year getting musty, mouldy and accumulate problems – and depreciate to the point of becoming unsellable. Yet they do very little to make them sellable in the first place, like dealing with leaks and damp or at the very least giving these properties a good clean and empty the appliances.

It makes me so sad to watch some great houses going to waste instead of becoming cosy and loved homes. The only thing that could stop this madness would probably be the condition under which properties could be marketed – to be cleared, cleaned and issue free.

Some properties even got extended but we have seen so many extensions that were given little thought and resulted in convoluted layout, blocked light and fresh air and unusable or lost space.

Hetty58 Mon 18-Sept-23 09:44:25

The 'relatives' are often elderly themselves, these days.

There was a lovely, pristine, double bungalow, over the road, that sold for 750K. I was surprised to see it being demolished - right down to a few feet of wall on the foundations. (There must be a financial advantage in 'renovation' rather than rebuilding.)

Now, it's the biggest house in the road, unrecognisable, very modern/minimalist and sticks out like a sore thumb. A large family live there - so must have needed the room.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 18-Sept-23 09:52:33

Our very contemporary house was previously a very small bungalow.

Bella23 Mon 18-Sept-23 10:04:06

NotSpaghetti

I don't think you can blame the relatives.
Lots of elderly people loathe upheaval and I have known a number over the years who won't spend on property maintenance.

I wholeheartedly agree. My mother was on her own for 15 years and would let me do nothing until she gave me the property that she no longer had any interest in.
New kitchens and conservatories were cancelled as was the cleaner I employed.Decorators had colours changed to 1940's,she even got me to completely recurtain the house with upmarket curtains at my expense and when I left a relation said she had had them all taken down and her old ones put back up
When she went into care I realised that it could not be sold as it stood, so had a complete sortout garden landscape and made easy etc.
We got a really good price for it and all the thanks I got because it was mine by then was "Well aren't you the clever one". She could have been living been in complete luxury with a dishwasher and meals delivered. She did not want it.
The odd thing was her best friend was the complete opposite.
There is only so much you can do if the house still belongs to the elderly parent and believe me you get embarrassed and downhearted by the whole sorry state.
Don't always blame the family.angry

Katie59 Mon 18-Sept-23 12:28:07

The reason new build bungalows are more expensive is that they have a bigger footprint and need a bigger plot to build on, so a 2 bed bungalow will cost as much as 3 bed house.

I’m lucky when I moved in with OH he already had a well equipped 3 bed, so easy, lovely garden too.

Stansgran Mon 18-Sept-23 12:50:14

I live in a small cul de sac all post war bungalows in a conservation area . Two houses belonging to elderly widows have been sold in the past few years,one had plans to rebuild with an entirely different look and then found that the plans were beyond their ability to finance them. The second has been bought by a builder and again a massive two storey structure with gym and double garage which does not align with the kerb is being built. The original house had been used as an example by the local council as to showing how well this group of houses fitted the conservation environment. Obviously it’s what will happen to ours. Added to that I have leaks and mould and cloudy double glazing and a husband who prefers holidays to house repairs but that is another thread.

RusBun Mon 18-Sept-23 13:24:59

I understand that the elderly vendors have no capacity to make their house presentable or to fix structural problems. Have you tried to look at this problem from a different prospective?

A typical bungalow purchaser is also old or incapacitated, and also has no energy or resources to do it up. And they find themselves in a situation where no liveable bungalows are available. In the current market they would need to sell first, and if their next house needs extending or renovating, then they have to go into rent and move twice - not easy at all at their age and too much upheaval to live on a building site for a year whilst the house is being done. Not everybody has the option of staying with the relatives for a while, they may have died or are too young to have their own place and are renting.

Norah Mon 18-Sept-23 13:33:18

Our farm home was my GPs (and other family prior) bungalow.

We're added, up and out the length of the back. It's not modern, nobody will want to purchase. I'm quite sure the land is the only value remaining, perhaps that is what is happening to many old bungalows?

Fleurpepper Mon 18-Sept-23 13:38:07

One AC lives next to a derelict bungalow on nice plot in very nice part of Surrey. The owner was very elderly, very frail, and VERY independent- and just let the house and garden go. Makes sense as bungalows are normally owned by older people who then get older still. She has passed away and the bungalow will very probably be demolished for much bigger one or luxury house.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 18-Sept-23 13:43:39

I think, OP, that your difficulty is three-fold: You are searching in a very small area (IIRC within ten miles of Epsom), you are searching for a bungalow and the sort of bungalow in that very small area which you want to find costs more than you can afford. Therefore you are looking at properties which don’t meet your requirements. Down-at-heel properties will be bought by people with the means - financial and physical - to do them up. A lot of bungalow purchasers are small builders and young people wanting a fixer-upper.

SporeRB Mon 18-Sept-23 13:57:14

Most people who buy bungalows tend to downsize from a large detached house or come from another area where properties are more expensive. They can afford to buy it without a mortgage and do it up.

It is not easy when you try to upsize from a flat as in your case or a semi. Most likely has to get a mortgage to buy the bungalow and use savings or borrow more money to do it up.

FenellaFootstrap Mon 18-Sept-23 13:57:59

Pity you're not near me. I'm also in the NW and there's currently a lovely little 2 bed bungalow for sale. Lady who owned it died quite suddenly and her son is selling it. She'd obviously maintained and decorated it to a high standard but her son has emptied everything out and repainted it throughout and continues to maintain his mum's beloved garden until it's sold. It's an absolute bargain at £260k and that includes front and rear gardens and integral garage. Fancy it myself!

Wenmore Mon 18-Sept-23 14:07:12

Finding reliable/professional trades available to do the work is a nightmare in itself.

Whiff Mon 18-Sept-23 14:20:09

RusBun what age do you consider elderly? I am 65 one of my neighbours is 96 he keeps his bungalow in tip top condition. And he is far from elderly.

HousePlantQueen Mon 18-Sept-23 14:39:31

I can understand the point being made by OP, when we were looking to move a few years back, we viewed a lovely bungalow with a lot of potential and as we were a lot younger then we were happy to tackle what needed doing. It wasn't mouldy or anything, but needed new windows, updated heating and electrics, bathroom, kitchen etc. It was a probate sale and our offer was very fair, and chain free. The family who had inherited, a niece and nephew some 2 hours away, turned down our offer. The bungalow sat empty, and deteriorated, for over a year. The neighbours of the deceased remarked that it was a pity the family hadn't spent as much energy visiting their aunt as they did investigating how much the property would be worth when modernised.

argymargy Mon 18-Sept-23 15:44:48

You’re not making a general observation, Rusbun. You’re making a specific observation based on viewing a small number of bungalows in a particular county, built in a particular period. My experience is very different. Bungalows also fetch a premium, which is great in terms of my investment.

M0nica Mon 18-Sept-23 16:08:15

Rusbun Quite often relatives do not live near where there parents live. Our 2 live 100 and 200 miles away respectively and. That is a long and expensive drive to make to look after an empty house. Many older people do not have the money to spend on their houses after they retire, or do not want the hassle.

Additionally family are awaiting probate to access any funds their relative had and cannot afford, for example, to pay a cleaner or gardener from their own resources.

Personally we LIKE houses that are run down and in need of modernisation as we are compulsive house renovators. We could not have afforded our current house if that had not been a renovation project and enthusiastically got settled into reorganising the property to provide a bigger (refitted) kitchen, a 2nd bathroom and a downstairs cloakroom.

Rusbub just because you are looking for a house in good order and well looked after, doesn't mean that everyone does.

nadateturbe Mon 18-Sept-23 16:20:50

I get what you're saying Rusbun. While people cannot afford to run back and forward to parents bungalow, you would think they could empty fridge etc and generally clean a place before putting on the market Also what an awful waste to let it get overrun by mould., thereby lessening the value.
We would like a bungalow but we haven't the energy to do the refurbishment that most require and often the price doesn't allow for it anyway where we live.

Callistemon21 Mon 18-Sept-23 16:30:03

Joseann

I have to say every bungalow we viewed in Devon was pristine, empty ones too, and they sell like hot cakes.

There is much more in some areas of Devon than here where there is little choice. Perhaps we should have moved back years ago!

Most seem to be reasonably maintained and some completely refurbished by family who have inherited one, but I would agree with Rusbun that there are some very peculiar layouts.
The other problem is location, location, location.

Callistemon21 Mon 18-Sept-23 16:34:36

BlueBelle

Well my house is 150 years old with all original doors and windows, fireplaces etc and is in need of thousands and thousands spending on it but I m blowed if I m going to spend cash I haven’t got on doing it up for someone else to enjoy , it can go on the market for a knock down price and some builder will do it up and turn it into flats but I won’t know anything about it

Love it!!
😁

Hithere Mon 18-Sept-23 16:46:08

"A typical bungalow purchaser is also old or incapacitated, and also has no energy or resources to do it up"

I have seen this general way of thinking in other threads - covering the needs and wants of a sector of the population despite their lack of prep work when that phase is reached

Society has to be inclusive of all, which does not mean has to prioritize a formerly or current able person's needs and wants due to age

Callistemon21 Mon 18-Sept-23 16:48:47

Can I clear a house before probate?

No, you cannot clear a house before probate. If a loved one or close relative dies, you must obtain the grant of probate to settle the estate before you can clear the house or go through their belongings. Getting a grant of probate gives you the legal right to deal with a deceased’s assets such as their property, money, or valuable possessions, otherwise known as their "estate" after they die.

Why can’t you clear a house before getting probate?

You can’t clear a house before probate is granted because the deceased’s house may contain valuable assets or items like cash, jewellry, or antiques. The court seeks to prevent such valuable items from being stolen or sold before probate is granted because it means that the beneficiaries of the Will may not receive what they are entitled to.
gloverpriest.com/news/can-i-clear-a-house-before-probate#:~:text=The%20executor%20of%20the%20deceased's,for%20any%20loss%20in%20value.

Witzend Mon 18-Sept-23 16:54:00

Anywhere around here (outer SW London) bungalows are scarce and relatively expensive. The pre WW2 ones, which IMO is most of them, often have big gardens on wide plots, so tend to be bought up by developers who put a substantial two storey house, or two semis, on the same plot.

An ex colleague of mine bought one which needed a lot of renovation. It had been bought 2 or 3 years previously by a developer, who just sat on it, did absolutely nothing to it, and then sold it on after prices had shot up - which was presumably the idea. 🤬

Callistemon21 Mon 18-Sept-23 16:56:21

Whiff

RusBun what age do you consider elderly? I am 65 one of my neighbours is 96 he keeps his bungalow in tip top condition. And he is far from elderly.

This seems to be yet another anti-ageist thread!!

There are so many on Gransnet lately - what is happening?

Ageism is defined as discrimination against older people because of negative and inaccurate stereotypes—and it's so ingrained in our culture that we often don't even notice

MerylStreep Mon 18-Sept-23 17:00:12

Callistemon21

BlueBelle

Well my house is 150 years old with all original doors and windows, fireplaces etc and is in need of thousands and thousands spending on it but I m blowed if I m going to spend cash I haven’t got on doing it up for someone else to enjoy , it can go on the market for a knock down price and some builder will do it up and turn it into flats but I won’t know anything about it

Love it!!
😁

That’s the way to do it 😂

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 18-Sept-23 17:05:22

I don’t know what your definition of ’elderly’ is Whiff, but I doubt anyone else would say that 96 isn’t ‘elderly’ (or even, frankly, very old).