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Why bungalows for sale are so neglected?

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RusBun Sun 17-Sept-23 22:43:06

We have been looking for a bungalow in Surrey lately and got very frustrated with what we have observed being a trend.

Almost all of bungalows were built in the 1930-s and are quite small, typically around 65m2. They are in a really poor state and have not been updated for a few decades. Many show signs of utter neglect. Most of them have suspended floors, rising damp issues or damp and mould from leaky roofs and gutters. Doors and windows need changing, not to mention pink and avocado bathrooms and pine kitchens together with polystyrene tile ceilings. They have EPC of D or even E.

Whilst most of those faults and undesirable features are due to age, some are due to sheer neglect from the relatives of the elderly owners. We have seen plenty of probate properties still on the market a year later with dirty dishes still left in the stinking dishwasher, food left in the fridge and gone mouldy, kitchen units left dirty still full of contents.

The saddest one was a perfect in every sense bungalow, so well laid out and built, where the water butt leaked, stayed unnoticed for ages, created damp in the wall and eventually black mould took over the whole wall behind the built-in wardrobe. The doors were left open, and the mould spores disseminated all over the house, infecting every inch of surfaces, carpets and fabrics. This is how you get what is called a “sick building syndrome”. You will never get rid of that mould completely, the spores will make sure it comes back.

So on one hand, there is a real shortage of bungalows for the aging population, and on the other hand there are plenty of them but in such poor condition that nobody would buy them. Relatives overprice these bungalows in a hope to get a bigger inheritance, so the buildings sit empty for over a year getting musty, mouldy and accumulate problems – and depreciate to the point of becoming unsellable. Yet they do very little to make them sellable in the first place, like dealing with leaks and damp or at the very least giving these properties a good clean and empty the appliances.

It makes me so sad to watch some great houses going to waste instead of becoming cosy and loved homes. The only thing that could stop this madness would probably be the condition under which properties could be marketed – to be cleared, cleaned and issue free.

Some properties even got extended but we have seen so many extensions that were given little thought and resulted in convoluted layout, blocked light and fresh air and unusable or lost space.

Callistemon21 Sat 23-Sept-23 11:55:01

Better housing provision for the elderly would almost certainly free up properties which are more suitable for families, but we are not a powerful enough lobby are we?

Many of us are still living in houses we bought (with mortgages) when we were bringing up a family and would be happy to move to a slightly smaller, but not cramped, property and yes, release family homes for those with families.

But there is an absolute dearth of suitable properties.

There is a lot of house building going on in this country so why is there such a lack of suitable homes for older people and for those young families stuck in terrible conditions in rented properties?

Foxygloves Sat 23-Sept-23 11:43:34

We should be a powerful lobby

But we aren’t.
The modern cult of ‘Youth” has put paid to that, although the fashion of writing off anybody over 40 let alone 50 sits curiously with the frequent appeals for retirees to return to the workforce.
Have they ever tried even getting anybody to look at a CV if you are over 40?
Apart from Joe Biden.

Caravansera Sat 23-Sept-23 11:38:52

Thanks, Foxygloves. As I was describing pages back, the generational log jam in the housing market that Mature Times was discussing a decade ago. Nothing has changed.

We should be a powerful lobby. I just checked 2021 census numbers for England and Wales. Over 27 million people aged 60 and over. 18 million of those were in the 60-74 bracket, people who will be facing the physical challenges of older age if they aren't already, as in the case of OP and her husband. People are being pushed to work longer and for those in physical jobs, that will take a toll on already ageing joints.

Older people might be incentised to move from homes that are now too large and expensive to maintain but there has to be somewhere to go to. We have to start with a radical change of policy about planning.

This 2021 study by the University of Lincolshire into ageing without children is a good summation of the issues (not just housing) that face everybody including people who may have children but who cannot or do not want to rely on them for support.

www.tnlcommunityfund.org.uk/media/insights/documents/awoc-briefing-report-final.pdf?mtime=20211210092206&focal=none

Participants pointed to their perception of a lack of ‘age friendly’ housing in rural towns and villages and especially housing which recognised diversity in for example, the availability of family to provide practical support. Extra care housing or housing cooperatives were identified as potentially creative solutions not just for people ageing without children but which could meet the housing needs of diverse populations of older people.

Foxygloves Sat 23-Sept-23 10:44:08

One could argue that there is mass disability discrimination in the lack of suitable housing provision for the elderly. The 1930s, 1950s and 1960s saw bungalows included in housing projects alongside terraced, semi-detached and detached houses but that is no longer the case
Not the “quick buck” developers seem to be intent on making.
I don’t wish to be shot down for sounding as if I do not support the need for housing for young families because of course I do, but what does happen when people retire, possibly with no other income than their State pension, and certainly not in a position to “cash in”on a vastly increased value on their current house which may be expensive to heat or insulate?
“Affordable housing” is not necessarily age-specific.
Better housing provision for the elderly would almost certainly free up properties which are more suitable for families, but we are not a powerful enough lobby are we?

nanna8 Sat 23-Sept-23 10:08:43

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nanna8 Sat 23-Sept-23 10:07:44

Wish I could remember what I wrote that warranted deletion! I have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

Caravansera Sat 23-Sept-23 10:01:52

Foxygloves

Well somebody’s been busy with the button!
I see I got deleted but IMHO any goadiness stemmed from another source altogether who shall remain nameless and as for “disablism” (if such a word exists) what, where, when, how?
The overt ageism which permeated the thread was however another matter altogether and (again IMHO) should have been reported and nipped in the bud from the outset.

Disablism (aka ableism) has been defined by the Council for Europe as

www.coe.int/en/web/compass/disability-and-disablism#What%20is%20Disablism

discriminatory, oppressive, abusive behaviour arising from the belief that disabled people are inferior to others. Disablism refers to prejudice, stereotyping, or "institutional discrimination" against disabled people. The main problem about disablism (also known as abilism or ableism) is that it is not easy to identify. In many cases, people do not realise that it exists. Disablism is first and foremost about people's attitudes: it does not only refer to consciously discriminatory behaviour, but also to the way that people unconsciously relate to people with disabilities. The unconscious part of discriminatory attitudes is much harder to tackle than conscious acts of discrimination, but both need to be equally targeted in the struggle for human rights.

I saw no evidence of disabilism, overt or covert, but I agree there was overt ageism and not from the people whose posts have been deleted.

What I would say, is that age usually brings disability of some kind. Most commonly that is impaired mobility, so there is an overlap between ageism and disablism in the lack of ground-level single-storey housing provision.

One could argue that there is mass disability discrimination in the lack of suitable housing provision for the elderly. The 1930s, 1950s and 1960s saw bungalows included in housing projects alongside terraced, semi-detached and detached houses but that is no longer the case.

We know why it is. Land prices, construction company profits, the cost of some infrastructure falling to the latter and so on.

Once again, it’s a disconnect between the kinds of homes people need and what is actually built. Market forces, lack of planning control and the pursuit of profit is driving what it built rather than what is needed across all demographics including people increasingly disabled by age.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 21:59:22

😁

merlotgran Fri 22-Sept-23 21:51:29

^Oh no, you're Chief Sleuth!!
And supplier of merlot, we need you. 🍷^

Miss Marple of the Vineyard 😂

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 21:35:57

merlotgran

^With a name like merlotgran, the starring rôle is reserved for you! 😃^

😂🍷🍷🍷

Bumped off by the end of the first chapter!

Oh no, you're Chief Sleuth!!
And supplier of merlot, we need you. 🍷

merlotgran Fri 22-Sept-23 21:27:21

With a name like merlotgran, the starring rôle is reserved for you! 😃

😂🍷🍷🍷

Bumped off by the end of the first chapter!

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 20:42:37

growstuff

Goodness me! Some names I didn't expect to see on the naughty step! hmm

PS. I didn't see the offending comments, so no comment from me.

I can't remember mine and GNHQ haven't emailed me to let me know.
Oh dear, I meant to hide this thread!

Just to add, we did have our house valued so we knew our financial limits when looking for a bungalow now we are elderly.

We had a joke with the Estate Agent about the only bungalows available being identical 1960/1970s boxes in God's Waiting Room and he did say they are becoming increasingly popular with young families because of affordability and the good schools being in the same location.

growstuff Fri 22-Sept-23 20:26:37

Goodness me! Some names I didn't expect to see on the naughty step! hmm

PS. I didn't see the offending comments, so no comment from me.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 20:21:47

merlotgran

^No idea but I understand Richard Osman is planning his next book based on Gransnetters 😁^

Will we get a cut of the royalties?

First the book, then the film.

With a name like merlotgran, the starring rôle is reserved for you! 😃

🎬

Foxygloves Fri 22-Sept-23 18:35:58

Well somebody’s been busy with the button!
I see I got deleted but IMHO any goadiness stemmed from another source altogether who shall remain nameless and as for “disablism” (if such a word exists) what, where, when, how?
The overt ageism which permeated the thread was however another matter altogether and (again IMHO) should have been reported and nipped in the bud from the outset.

merlotgran Fri 22-Sept-23 18:18:20

No idea but I understand Richard Osman is planning his next book based on Gransnetters 😁

Will we get a cut of the royalties?

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 18:05:45

Fleurpepper

Goodness, what on earth happened and was all deleted- discussing bungalows!?!

No idea but I understand Richard Osman is planning his next book based on Gransnetters 😁

Fleurpepper Fri 22-Sept-23 17:58:14

Goodness, what on earth happened and was all deleted- discussing bungalows!?!

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 17:43:13

Oh goodness, LouGransnet, we've been out and I've just seen I had a post deleted, sorry if I broke guidelines.

However, this thread is full of quite unpleasant stereotyping ageist posts which are very unfair on a forum aimed at older people.

And I was attacked quite unpleasantly after I made a chatty post in response to someone mentioning a certain area, no apology was forthcoming.

Best to hide this thread, I think.

Jaxjacky Fri 22-Sept-23 13:25:17

Bungalows around here are snapped up, at a premium price too, as Merlotgran says, they generally have decent sized plots. This means many are extended, some out the way, others into the dormer, they tend to be amongst other housing, with a couple of roads of only bungalows.
South Hampshire.

LouGransnet (GNHQ) Fri 22-Sept-23 13:04:59

Afternoon everyone. We've had a fair few reports about this thread and we've had to spend quite a lot of time deleting a string of posts which were breaking our Talk Guidelines.

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merlotgran Fri 22-Sept-23 10:30:34

There are plenty of ‘do ‘em up’ bungalows where I live. I bought one of them! The area is referred to as Gods waiting room but I couldn’t care less. We’re all waiting somewhere!

They are mostly being snapped up by downsizers who have the money to spend on renovations and the local builders are having a field day. The chap who re plastered my ceilings said when he finished mine he’d be just a few doors up the road doing another one and so on…

Living on a 1930s bungalow estate means I’m not overlooked, the gardens are a generous size and the roads are quiet. There’s even a pocket park beloved by dog walkers.

I cannot understand people who are sniffy about bungalows - old or otherwise and their previous occupants. God Bless the 1930s because many of us are enjoying their largesse to the community.

Hetty58 Fri 22-Sept-23 10:23:47

Still, an interesting and entertaining read - although I've forgotten the purpose by now.

Funny, but I get on really well with my dinosaur neighbours here. I'm bright and cheery, will stop for a chat and offer help, so maybe you get back what you give?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 22-Sept-23 10:10:56

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Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 09:59:07

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