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Why bungalows for sale are so neglected?

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RusBun Sun 17-Sept-23 22:43:06

We have been looking for a bungalow in Surrey lately and got very frustrated with what we have observed being a trend.

Almost all of bungalows were built in the 1930-s and are quite small, typically around 65m2. They are in a really poor state and have not been updated for a few decades. Many show signs of utter neglect. Most of them have suspended floors, rising damp issues or damp and mould from leaky roofs and gutters. Doors and windows need changing, not to mention pink and avocado bathrooms and pine kitchens together with polystyrene tile ceilings. They have EPC of D or even E.

Whilst most of those faults and undesirable features are due to age, some are due to sheer neglect from the relatives of the elderly owners. We have seen plenty of probate properties still on the market a year later with dirty dishes still left in the stinking dishwasher, food left in the fridge and gone mouldy, kitchen units left dirty still full of contents.

The saddest one was a perfect in every sense bungalow, so well laid out and built, where the water butt leaked, stayed unnoticed for ages, created damp in the wall and eventually black mould took over the whole wall behind the built-in wardrobe. The doors were left open, and the mould spores disseminated all over the house, infecting every inch of surfaces, carpets and fabrics. This is how you get what is called a “sick building syndrome”. You will never get rid of that mould completely, the spores will make sure it comes back.

So on one hand, there is a real shortage of bungalows for the aging population, and on the other hand there are plenty of them but in such poor condition that nobody would buy them. Relatives overprice these bungalows in a hope to get a bigger inheritance, so the buildings sit empty for over a year getting musty, mouldy and accumulate problems – and depreciate to the point of becoming unsellable. Yet they do very little to make them sellable in the first place, like dealing with leaks and damp or at the very least giving these properties a good clean and empty the appliances.

It makes me so sad to watch some great houses going to waste instead of becoming cosy and loved homes. The only thing that could stop this madness would probably be the condition under which properties could be marketed – to be cleared, cleaned and issue free.

Some properties even got extended but we have seen so many extensions that were given little thought and resulted in convoluted layout, blocked light and fresh air and unusable or lost space.

Fleurpepper Tue 19-Sept-23 15:27:34

Casdon

The washing just smells so lovely when it’s been blowing in the fresh air, I wouldn’t want to swap that for convenience to put the clothes away afterwards.

Agreed, and honestly, the washing does not spoil the garden at all. Of course, sometimes the weather makes it impossible, so a dryer can be useful. But I try to wash when the weather is good. Saves on energy, and so much better for the environment. Win win smile

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 19-Sept-23 15:29:32

Each to their own! I hung my washing out for years - in this house I don’t.

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 15:30:55

Caravansera, what a great post, thank you!

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 15:34:55

I do not use a tumble dryer, is is only good for sheets and towels, clothes get misshaped in it. I hang all my washing outside in the summer and in our large airing cupboard in winter. Any store cupboard could be just as good if you put a small blow heater in it. I detest washing hanged on every radiator in the house or anywhere in sight.

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 15:38:51

Elegran

If you do buy somewhere that is not as expensive as commuter-belt Surrey, please try not to keep on to the locals about how much better your social/cultural life was where you lived previously - yes, they do know that it was a lot more convenient to hop onto a train to Central London for the nightlife and the culture, but they also know the cost of that convenience, in money and in stress.

When you are ill you don't get social life, leave alone nightlife anyway. I only travel to London for hospital appointments these days. I love quiet surroundings and nature; hustle and bustle make me exhausted.

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 15:40:43

Germanshepherdsmum

Am I the only one here who has a horror of stairlifts? I have arthritic knees and a bungalow may be necessary one day but I would rather crawl up the stairs if need be than have a stairlift (or an ordinary lift).

Thought of a stairlift gives me shivers. Just the look of it is enough to put you off.

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 15:41:21

Fleurpepper

Casdon

The washing just smells so lovely when it’s been blowing in the fresh air, I wouldn’t want to swap that for convenience to put the clothes away afterwards.

Agreed, and honestly, the washing does not spoil the garden at all. Of course, sometimes the weather makes it impossible, so a dryer can be useful. But I try to wash when the weather is good. Saves on energy, and so much better for the environment. Win win smile

So true!

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 19-Sept-23 15:45:03

Isn’t it difficult in a flat though? And you have two flights of stairs to contend with.

Fleurpepper Tue 19-Sept-23 15:46:27

Well of course, in a flat it is a different story.

Dinahmo Tue 19-Sept-23 15:48:49

RusBun

Casdon

RusBun

This is what you can get for half a million in my area for example: www.onthemarket.com/details/13326505/

I thought you were going to show us a shoebox on a busy road RusBun, but that’s a decent bungalow on a quiet street with potential and a lovely garden. I don’t really see what it is that you couldn’t face about doing something like that up, it could be done in stages? The USP must be the toilet seat though, I’ve never seen anything quite like that before.

Interestingly, this one just come back on the market. Survey must have picked something nasty.

house prices are falling - maybe the vendors haven't realised that yet.

Fleurpepper Tue 19-Sept-23 15:52:20

Wow this is crazy! And so so close to the surrounding houses!

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 19-Sept-23 15:57:17

That’s suburbia for you!

Elegran Tue 19-Sept-23 15:57:54

What is it about stairlifts that gives people such a horror of them? Is it something about the things themselves - is it ugliness? They are not elegant furnishings, but they are functional enough and quite neat.

Is it the thought of why they are needed, the reminder that we could all become old and decrepit and need them? If so it is need that horrifes, not the object itself. Is there the same horror at the mere thought of a walking stick, or glasses or dentures or a hearing aid? How about a crutch for a broken leg?

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 15:58:07

NotSpaghetti

Would you consider leasehold "retirement properties"?
Think there will be some of those.

Not thank you. We have lived in our block with elderly neighbours for the last 10 years, and we know what it's like. Different to our mentality for sure. We want to get away from them.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 19-Sept-23 15:59:05

OP lives in a second floor flat Fleur, hence my question. Hanging washing out on balconies is usually verboten, for good reason.

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 16:02:03

Germanshepherdsmum

Isn’t it difficult in a flat though? And you have two flights of stairs to contend with.

Fortunately, there are communal facilities in the garden. It is not ideal, but the heaviest load is going down, not up. And it is only in good weather, which is rare. Plus I don't need a stairlift yet.

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 16:04:50

Elegran

What is it about stairlifts that gives people such a horror of them? Is it something about the things themselves - is it ugliness? They are not elegant furnishings, but they are functional enough and quite neat.

Is it the thought of why they are needed, the reminder that we could all become old and decrepit and need them? If so it is need that horrifes, not the object itself. Is there the same horror at the mere thought of a walking stick, or glasses or dentures or a hearing aid? How about a crutch for a broken leg?

Well pointed out! Accepting getting old is not easy but inevitable.

RusBun Tue 19-Sept-23 16:07:29

Dinahmo

RusBun

Casdon

RusBun

This is what you can get for half a million in my area for example: www.onthemarket.com/details/13326505/

I thought you were going to show us a shoebox on a busy road RusBun, but that’s a decent bungalow on a quiet street with potential and a lovely garden. I don’t really see what it is that you couldn’t face about doing something like that up, it could be done in stages? The USP must be the toilet seat though, I’ve never seen anything quite like that before.

Interestingly, this one just come back on the market. Survey must have picked something nasty.

house prices are falling - maybe the vendors haven't realised that yet.

Over the summer I have watched prices of those unliveable bungalows tumbling down and still not selling. Those in good order and ready to move into have been selling like hot cakes in the first week!

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 19-Sept-23 16:10:38

They are ugly elegran, and I absolutely would not have one in my home. I realise that others have them. That is their choice. Mine is that hell will freeze over first. I hate dentures too.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 19-Sept-23 16:12:25

Getting old doesn’t have to involve stairlifts or dentures.

Dinahmo Tue 19-Sept-23 16:45:37

Elegran

Have you considered that wonderful invention, the stairlift? You would have to admit to yourselves that you needed its help climbing the Everest that a flight of stairs has become, but you have already accepted that you need a home on one floor.

It means that you can consider homes with bedrooms upstairs (or with a livingroom upstairs and bedrooms on the ground floor - no need to stick to conventional layouts. A straight staircase with space at top and bottom for the seat to "park" out of the way is best, possibly after going round a corner. Do some research before buying, different firms have different schemes for maintenance, buying them back when no longer needed and so on.

rather than a stairlift what about hydraulic lifts. My DH's aunt has had one for a few years and swears by it. It has enabled her to stay in her own home and she is 94.

Callistemon21 Tue 19-Sept-23 17:09:29

I've not got a head for heights and the thought of a stair lift going sideways up or down the stairs makes me feel anxious.

Lifts sound like a good idea.

Elegran Tue 19-Sept-23 17:11:44

Typical cost of hydraulic lift = £23,000 - £28,000.
Typical cost of stairlift = £2,000 - £7,000.

Elegran Tue 19-Sept-23 17:17:15

I don't think anyone else is very keen on dentures either, but when my generation was younger, dentistry wasn't as advanced as it is today. If (more likely when) teeth were past mending, the gaps were filled by first a partial denture, then as more were lost, by a full one.

If the alternative is either paying a vast amount for implants or gumming your way through the rest of life, then needs must when the devil drives.

Elegran Tue 19-Sept-23 17:19:19

Callistemon21 They come with a seatbelt, and you are sternly instructed to always use it.