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Why bungalows for sale are so neglected?

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RusBun Sun 17-Sept-23 22:43:06

We have been looking for a bungalow in Surrey lately and got very frustrated with what we have observed being a trend.

Almost all of bungalows were built in the 1930-s and are quite small, typically around 65m2. They are in a really poor state and have not been updated for a few decades. Many show signs of utter neglect. Most of them have suspended floors, rising damp issues or damp and mould from leaky roofs and gutters. Doors and windows need changing, not to mention pink and avocado bathrooms and pine kitchens together with polystyrene tile ceilings. They have EPC of D or even E.

Whilst most of those faults and undesirable features are due to age, some are due to sheer neglect from the relatives of the elderly owners. We have seen plenty of probate properties still on the market a year later with dirty dishes still left in the stinking dishwasher, food left in the fridge and gone mouldy, kitchen units left dirty still full of contents.

The saddest one was a perfect in every sense bungalow, so well laid out and built, where the water butt leaked, stayed unnoticed for ages, created damp in the wall and eventually black mould took over the whole wall behind the built-in wardrobe. The doors were left open, and the mould spores disseminated all over the house, infecting every inch of surfaces, carpets and fabrics. This is how you get what is called a “sick building syndrome”. You will never get rid of that mould completely, the spores will make sure it comes back.

So on one hand, there is a real shortage of bungalows for the aging population, and on the other hand there are plenty of them but in such poor condition that nobody would buy them. Relatives overprice these bungalows in a hope to get a bigger inheritance, so the buildings sit empty for over a year getting musty, mouldy and accumulate problems – and depreciate to the point of becoming unsellable. Yet they do very little to make them sellable in the first place, like dealing with leaks and damp or at the very least giving these properties a good clean and empty the appliances.

It makes me so sad to watch some great houses going to waste instead of becoming cosy and loved homes. The only thing that could stop this madness would probably be the condition under which properties could be marketed – to be cleared, cleaned and issue free.

Some properties even got extended but we have seen so many extensions that were given little thought and resulted in convoluted layout, blocked light and fresh air and unusable or lost space.

Mt61 Wed 20-Sept-23 14:59:17

Nightmare looking for a bungalow in the lancs area during Covid for my elderly mum & dad.I agree lots of bungalows run down (dipping floor, back boiler, asbestos, peach bathroom with corner bath 😩 wanted new windows & doors- the son was selling for his mother (her dressing gown was still hanging on the back of the door) he wanted silly money for it, wouldn’t take less than asking price. Anyway he couldn’t sell it due to the sinking floor.. by that time house prices started dipping.. I think he should have cut his losses & sold to my mum & dad who would have made it beautiful.

jenpax Wed 20-Sept-23 15:01:41

Some people sell their houses because they cannot afford to repair them! So insisting on their being no issues before putting them on the market is a ridiculous idea! You assume that the kids of elderly relatives are comfortably off but that may not be the case. The bungalow might be the only asset and no money left to undertake repairs. Cleaning is another matter though

4allweknow Wed 20-Sept-23 15:24:02

A lot of elderly don't have relatives. Some relatives may be old themselves or not live a reasonable distance away to monitor a property. Not everyone relishes the thought of having maintenance work done when older, may not even have funds to do so. Also, why spend a lot of money if infirmed and perhaps the value of the property will go towards care costs

Callistemon21 Wed 20-Sept-23 15:37:21

It depends where you want to live in the North
Semi-detached 4 bedroomed bungalow near Manchester - £675,000?
2 bedroomed semi-detached bungalow in Timperley - £375,000?

Not all of the North is cheap or wall to wall terraced houses as one woman I once knew thought 😁, many areas are very desirable and that is reflected in property prices.

DrWatson Wed 20-Sept-23 16:02:28

Well RusBun, when you said "There is absolutely nothing in Surrey below half a million", I presume you mean bungalows, as that's the topic?

Within seconds of looking at Zoopla (other house sites available) I found "2 bed semi-detached bungalow for sale in Old Coulsdon, 450K". Also a 3-bed Bung, Staines, 430K. Oh, and a very nice 2 double beds Bung on the edge of upmarket Chobham just £535K (yes, I know 535 exceeds 500, but it IS Chobham!).

Plus a 2-bed Bung, 435K in Ashtead, and similar in Purley for 450K. And if you could step just over the border to the likes of Orpington or Ash Vale then a few more opportunities are there? Did your "nothing" perhaps mean the likes of Haslemere, Guildford and Esher (etc)?!

Callistemon21 Wed 20-Sept-23 16:06:51

Oh, and a very nice 2 double beds Bung on the edge of upmarket Chobham just £535K (yes, I know 535 exceeds 500, but it IS Chobham!).

Oh, I did like Chobham and Windlesham when we were house hunting in the SE but it was just a bit too far out for DH's work and relatively expensive compared to some other areas.

M0nica Wed 20-Sept-23 17:19:10

DrWatson I think you are being pedantic. Every bungalow you quote is well over £400,000, which when talking in broad terms is £500,000 +/-

And while Ashtead is close to Epsom, Chobham and Coulsdon and all the other places you mention are nowhere near Epsom - and the OP has made it clear that for work reasons they cannot move from the area.

As I said at the start of the thread, this problem in Epsom is long standing. In 1980 my parents reached retirement age and wanted to swap their 4 bed family home in Epsom for a bungalow and release some capital as a side effect and they too found it impossible. Bungalows in Epsom were few and far between and commanded premium prices. So little has changed in over 40 years.

In their case there were no ties that bound them to Epsom, so they moved to West Sussex where there are almost more bungalows than houses from really small inexpensive ones to huge ones on private estates, but, unfortunately the OP doesn't have that choice.

RusBun Wed 20-Sept-23 17:38:00

DrWatson

Well RusBun, when you said "There is absolutely nothing in Surrey below half a million", I presume you mean bungalows, as that's the topic?

Within seconds of looking at Zoopla (other house sites available) I found "2 bed semi-detached bungalow for sale in Old Coulsdon, 450K". Also a 3-bed Bung, Staines, 430K. Oh, and a very nice 2 double beds Bung on the edge of upmarket Chobham just £535K (yes, I know 535 exceeds 500, but it IS Chobham!).

Plus a 2-bed Bung, 435K in Ashtead, and similar in Purley for 450K. And if you could step just over the border to the likes of Orpington or Ash Vale then a few more opportunities are there? Did your "nothing" perhaps mean the likes of Haslemere, Guildford and Esher (etc)?!

Have you looked at these properties in detail? At this price they are so tiny, only just big enough for a single person and close to a motorway or only fit to be demolished and re-built. I have seen them all

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 20-Sept-23 17:42:32

DrWatson is correct as to what OP said. There are bungalows to be found in Surrey for under £500k. Over £400k does not equate ‘in broad terms to £500k+/-‘, MOnica. It depends on whether the property is in need of work. The OP hasn’t sought to bring the additional costs of moving into the equation, which perhaps you are thinking of. There is a big difference between OP’s exaggerated statement that ‘there is nothing in Surrey below half a million’ and what she really means, ie ‘there is nothing acceptable to me within ten miles of Epsom below half a million’.

win Wed 20-Sept-23 22:02:31

A lot of these properties will be paying for care costs on a deferred payment scheme through the council. Few of them will be sold through EAs they will go to auction to get the money back to the LAs as quickly as possibly. You only have to go on FB to read one of the many carers support groups posts and you will see what happens to the elderly who have to pay for care because they own a property but no cash whatsoever.

25Avalon Wed 20-Sept-23 23:02:13

Some areas have bungalows, apartments, and other properties that only those over 55 can buy. That keeps the purchase cost down.

NotSpaghetti Thu 21-Sept-23 05:40:39

25Avalon... yes, but they don't want one of those.

RusBun Thu 21-Sept-23 08:45:34

25Avalon

Some areas have bungalows, apartments, and other properties that only those over 55 can buy. That keeps the purchase cost down.

They are very popular with over 75-s.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 21-Sept-23 09:02:30

Does that mean that you wouldn’t consider such a property RusBun? How do you know that they are very popular with people over 75?

25Avalon Thu 21-Sept-23 09:04:05

NotSpaghetti

*25Avalon*... yes, but they don't want one of those.

I never said they did. I don’t even know if there are any in or around Epsom but it is one way to keep prices down that other parts of the country have adopted. It also means no screaming kids, noisy barbecues etc just mogs 😂

Callistemon21 Thu 21-Sept-23 10:02:16

25Avalon

NotSpaghetti

25Avalon... yes, but they don't want one of those.

I never said they did. I don’t even know if there are any in or around Epsom but it is one way to keep prices down that other parts of the country have adopted. It also means no screaming kids, noisy barbecues etc just mogs 😂

And a Murder Club (on Thursdays or any day you choose).

DrWatson Thu 21-Sept-23 18:30:22

For Callistemon, well, sadly I'm NOT sufficiently clairvoyant to know what YOUR search criteria might have been (that "bit too far out for DH's work and relatively expensive compared to some other areas" stuff). I wasn't replying to you! Very likely some folk on here have been looking in Lincs, or Staffs (one or two have mentioned Lancs), none very relevant to Surrey. But give me more clues, and for a suitable payment I'll have a dekko for you at what might be feasible in relevant areas?!

DrWatson Thu 21-Sept-23 18:38:20

For RusBun and MOnica, how does 'Epsom' come into it? The original query doesn't mention Epsom, and I'm not clairvoyant (If I had been, I'd have won the Lottery many times over, and not be here at all?!!).

Oh, and if 'Epsom' appears somewhere on here in the intervening 8 pages or so, I do 3 voluntary jobs, haven't unlimited time to plod through that lot (some on p1 are irrelevant as it is). But please do say (RB) how a 3-bed Bung is "tiny, only just big enough for one person"??!! Shouldn't you have snapped up that really cheap corner plot one?!

RusBun Thu 21-Sept-23 19:10:50

DrWatson

For RusBun and MOnica, how does 'Epsom' come into it? The original query doesn't mention Epsom, and I'm not clairvoyant (If I had been, I'd have won the Lottery many times over, and not be here at all?!!).

Oh, and if 'Epsom' appears somewhere on here in the intervening 8 pages or so, I do 3 voluntary jobs, haven't unlimited time to plod through that lot (some on p1 are irrelevant as it is). But please do say (RB) how a 3-bed Bung is "tiny, only just big enough for one person"??!! Shouldn't you have snapped up that really cheap corner plot one?!

If you look carefully at the square footage, then you will see that a 3-bedroom house on circa 650 sq ft is a collection of shoe boxes put together. Claustrophobic to say the least.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 21-Sept-23 20:14:45

RB has snapped it up DrWatson. If you CBA to RTFT you would know that and the relevance of Epsom, rather than relying on others to fill in the gaps in your knowledge because you’re so terribly busy and you presume that nobody else is.

Callistemon21 Thu 21-Sept-23 20:25:49

DrWatson

For Callistemon, well, sadly I'm NOT sufficiently clairvoyant to know what YOUR search criteria might have been (that "bit too far out for DH's work and relatively expensive compared to some other areas" stuff). I wasn't replying to you! Very likely some folk on here have been looking in Lincs, or Staffs (one or two have mentioned Lancs), none very relevant to Surrey. But give me more clues, and for a suitable payment I'll have a dekko for you at what might be feasible in relevant areas?!

What are you talking about?
I didn't ask for any help from you.

The tone of your post sounds rather sarcastic.

Caravansera Thu 21-Sept-23 21:11:01

RusBun

25Avalon

Some areas have bungalows, apartments, and other properties that only those over 55 can buy. That keeps the purchase cost down.

They are very popular with over 75-s.

Who will have passed 55 and 60 to get to 75.

How do you know how old someone was when they moved to a particular property?

RusBun Thu 21-Sept-23 21:35:53

I am just saying that is a different generation with a different mindset. Like our flat neighbours where we are now. Nothing in common.

Callistemon21 Thu 21-Sept-23 22:28:45

Caravansera

RusBun

25Avalon

Some areas have bungalows, apartments, and other properties that only those over 55 can buy. That keeps the purchase cost down.

They are very popular with over 75-s.

Who will have passed 55 and 60 to get to 75.

How do you know how old someone was when they moved to a particular property?

Well, my DN was about 18 months old when he moved to a bungalow 😃

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 21-Sept-23 22:49:38

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