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HOUSES THAT ARE UNTOUCHED FOR DECADES

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CariadAgain Wed 11-Jun-25 05:35:05

As many of us do - I still check out properties for sale - even though I bought my current one a few years back and have no intention of moving.

When I bought mine (ie a 1970s bungalow) I had darn nearly everything ripped out. It really needed work - and all that's left is I kept the windows (as they were upvc), kept the internal doors and most of the skirting boards. Everything else got ripped out from both the house itself and garden.

Mine really needed it - poorly-planned 1980s kitchen, tatty 1970s bathroom, etc. All that - despite the fact there's been two owners in between the first owner and myself and the last owner did buy it this century.

Anyways - at long last it's done now - new kitchen, new bathroom, new floor coverings throughout, garden gutted and turned into my style, new decor throughout (had to be replastered before that could be done), all exterior doors changed, etc.

I still struggle with just why, in particular, the house still had a 1970s bathroom - despite those owners no 2 and no 3 since then and it was one that didn't even work well (high bath, trickling little shower, 1970s wall fire!!).

Since then - I've seen someone I used to know sell her house here and buy a 1960s bungalow here and do absolutely nothing to it (not even changing the 1970s carpets and having it decorated) - despite the fact she would have had quite a bit of leftover money from selling her last house. Me - I was walking through her "new to her" house when she moved in enthusiastically making suggestions for what a new kitchen/new bathroom could be like (yep...the house needed that) and defo taking it for granted she'd change the old 1970s/1980s carpets throughout and decorate at least (it needed it).

I was also very surprised to see that a neighbour bought an adjacent house and she would have had quite a bit of money over from her (noticeably dearer) last house and yet all she's had done was there was a painter in for a couple of days and so I think she's probably just had one or two rooms painted. She didn't even bring her own furniture with her when she moved - and is just using the previous owners furniture.

Looking at houses for sale (specifically bungalows - as that's what I bought - and I'm seeing 1980s or maybe even 1970s kitchen after kitchen/bathroom after bathroom. 1970s/1980s carpets). Cue for me thinking "It's obviously a probate house - and nothing much looks like it's been done since the 1970s/1980s. Have they had that house for 40-50 years personally that they don't seem to have done anything much to it? But it appears they must have bought it more recently than that and that means they're living with stuff from a previous owner a couple of buyers ago by the look of it?

That puzzles me personally - ie to move into a house that's basically not been touched for 40-50 years and do nothing at all (even though some of them will certainly have the money to do so). I would understand if they didn't have the money to do the work - but it often looks as if they did.

Very puzzling to use someone else's old furniture - I'd be wondering what the heck might have happened over the decades to the sofa I wanted to sit on and could be "harbouring" all seats of spills/dog hairs/etc.

Thankfully I have got the renovation work on this house finished before feeling I'd run out of energy to chase the "manana and unreliable" workmen this area seems to specialise in.....and so I can 'put my feet up' and just keep it up from here onwards.

The thing that surprised me most with my own current house is that owners no. 2 and no. 3 had obviously both kept the tatty old Rayburn, hybrid central heating set-up and oil tank in the garden that owner no. 1 wanted. I came in and thought "I wouldnt even know how to work that stuff" and out it came and I've got a normal gas central heating system and the Rayburn got taken out.

Certainly what puzzles me most is even living with a previous owners furniture....but I see it happening...

M0nica Fri 13-Jun-25 13:53:51

*Doodledog. Our (current house) was built as an extension to the house next door in 1467. But when enclosure came and every farmer was given a piece of land and went and built themself a farmhouse on site, the village centre farm house, like many others was divided into 4 farm labourer's cottages.

These were listed in 1952. The chap who bought them and turned them back into one house did not come along until the mid 60s and we bought from his executors, some 30 years later, when the original conversion was beginning to look dated.

I make no judgement on anyone. This week as we start to move out, one of our closest friends has moved into a McCarthy and Stone flat, close to her daughter. She is a widow and neither she nor her daughter are in good health. Our choices are dictated by our inclinations, capabilities and finances.

At the same time as we are finding about builders and electricians to do work for us, our DD, a true chip off the old block (DH), is busy deconstructing and rebuilding the house she moved into 3 months ago, just as her DF would, were he 30 years younger.

Etoile2701 Fri 13-Jun-25 13:02:02

It all costs money and not everyone can afford it. We can't.

Doodledog Fri 13-Jun-25 12:09:16

We use houses in different ways, and what works for one person/family/couple wouldn't for another, and won't always work for the same family/couple/person over a lifetime either. I like watching George Clarke's programmes, where houses get remodelled (all are available on 4OD) but they were recorded 5-10 years ago, and he keeps saying that older houses don't work for 'modern family life' so knocks rooms together, opens the back of the house to the garden, and makes huge 'family spaces'. How long will it be before the walls are going back in, as 'family spaces' are too expensive to heat, though? Those layouts were fashionable before the energy crisis, but might be regretted now that energy bills are so high.

Also, being able to supervise toddlers and young children is great, but if my experience is anything to go by, when they are teenagers neither they nor you want to share space 24/7 grin. They want to play music, mess about on screens and have private talks with friends, not sit around an island with their parents, listening to Any Answers. 'Modern family life' isn't static, even within one generation.

Our house is a traditional layout - sitting room at the front, dining room behind and kitchen at the bottom of a fair sized reception hall. The spaces are all separate, which suits us, as it means we can each follow different pursuits without disturbing one another, and I valued that even more when there were four of us here and the children often had friends over. A kitchen-diner would have advantages sometimes, but I don't want to be cooking when my husband is listening to annoying YouTube videos about engineering, or DVDs of The World At War, or in the past when the children were playing SuperMario or playing Slipknot with the volume up to 11 grin.

My daughter is house hunting now, and prefers houses with what used to be called a 'through lounge' - basically the same layout but with the wall between the living rooms knocked out. Some even incorporate the hallway to make an even larger space. The difference is that she and her partner will be living there alone (or with the dog, anyway), and are happy to use headphones when they are doing their own things. I'd be surprised if they don't move or remodel if they have children - after they are 10 years old, anyway.

I think if people enjoy it and don't mind living with people in the house doing work, it must be very satisfying. I enjoyed the feeling of the new rooms as each was completed. Getting up in the morning and walking onto the newly decorated landing, going for a bath and opening the door onto a new bathroom etc is lovely. Knocking 4 cottages together must be very satisfying - when it's done! Also, it's lovely to think of them still standing, when without renovation they would probably have been demolished.

The hassle of ripping things out is not for everyone, and it can't take too much imagination to realise that, though. Judging people for not having the energy, budget or inclination to do it shows a lack of empathy and understanding that people are all different.

M0nica Fri 13-Jun-25 11:27:57

crossstitchfan thank you. I have told DH that, when he dies I am going to bury him clutching a screw driver.

During COVID he had a heart attack and bypass surgery, he picked up an antibiotic resistant infection, which took six weeks to deal with, and we wondered whether he would make it. He came home, and all rehabilitation was by phone, hectoring people insisting that he should be walking up and down the street in subzero temperatures (it was January).

Instead, he decided as he was house bound he would get the builders in to build the extension we had planning consent for and project manage it. The next thing I knew, as the single storey extension reached roof height, he was climbing ladders to inspect the work, then when there was a delay, fitted all the guttering himself, before doing most of the wiring (inspected and approved by a Part P electrician). Best rehabilitation out.

He is now not as fit as he was then and we are saying firmly that all work on the new house will be done by professionals, but I bet, at some time I will find him wielding his scredriver, saying 'Its not worth getting anyone in for a small job like this'

Crossstitchfan Fri 13-Jun-25 10:37:44

M0nica

butterandjam never buy anything new if you can buy it secondhand. When DH and I got engaged, our first outing with my parents was to the local auction rooms. My father not long retired from the army and my mother, brought up buying everything second hand had found the local auction room as soon as they found their first home of their choice in 20 years and they could not wait to let us know about it. DH the grandson and nephew of antique dealers, brought up round the family shop and furniture repair shop, was equally avid.

Its just that we like old houses to put all our second hand belongings in.

There is a difference between taking a very worn and out dated house and bringing it up to date, and ripping perfectly good kitchens and bathrooms out, for example, because you do not like them

Our current house was reformd from 4 condemned cottages in the 1960s. By the mid 90s they were looking sad and dated. The kitchen was 8 foot square, and the cupboard doors were splitting and faded. We renovated, enlarged the kitchen, installed another bathroom and for the next 25 years, redecorated every so often. Then we repeated the exercise, built an extension and refitted the by now tired chipped and fading kitchen. We have now sold it to someone who fell in love with the kitchen.

We are now buying a house, untouched since the late 1960s.

My goodness, Monica! You are a glutton for punishment!
Actually, I envy you. That is the sort of thing my late husband and I liked to do, both here and in France - buy houses that needed some work, do them up and enjoy them. I remember we were startled to find that, in one farmhouse, when we started to strip a wall down for repair and rebuild, it was wattle and daub! Obviously, we had to call experts in for that. We had many happy years making our houses look good, not to mention, function well. Had he not died, we would doubtless still be doing that.
Good luck, and have fun!

loopyloo Fri 13-Jun-25 10:22:14

I did stir things up!
On balance I don't think I have the strength of character to have major work done. Am just too lazy and it would mean too many choices to be made.

Doodledog Fri 13-Jun-25 10:05:16

If you're from some educational backgrounds - then other things get put first.
I have no idea what this means.

Aveline Fri 13-Jun-25 09:37:44

CariadAgain why not try going out and about and meeting people instead of judging people's choices and posting long sagas?

CariadAgain Fri 13-Jun-25 09:34:43

Doodledog

What has a grammar school education got to do with any of this?

If you're from some educational backgrounds - then other things get put first.

I've spent most of my life living in my home city - and it's one of "THE" university cities in the country (ie if you can't get into Oxford or Cambridge = it's the next in line for choice sorta universities).

Result = you could tell a mile off often whether someone was a university student/lecturer etc on the one hand or not - as the case maybe. The university students, for instance, had a style of natural colour hair/little if any make-up/slim/reasonable quality clothes but no "fuss" to them. The non-university students had a very different appearance (as they had different values).

In the area I live now - and with an older average age there's three different styles of dressing I've identified ....and it was a revelation as to just how much some of the older women "dress up" for Major Events and how much some of the others (of all ages) "dress down" - whilst I either "dress home city" or "dress hippie" (as that's the third style group here). I found that out when I was on a "mother of the groom" outfit with another Southern English person and we were struggling to find something "plain" enough for our taste. We hadn't realised it would be a problem to find an outfit that said "Good quality.....parent of one of the couple.....tasteful.......pretty plain" as we scrolled past COLOUR, sparkling, etc......

CariadAgain Fri 13-Jun-25 09:24:29

NotSpaghetti

butterandjam - my mother-in-law moved into a "new to her" house at 95.
She rewired, redecorated, put in a new kitchen and bathroom, revamped the utility, took up the carpets in the hall and staircase and had the wood sanded and polished.. she had a new boiler, moved all the plugs and lights about, had new radiators downstairs, ripped everything out of the front garden (and reinvented it) and then had the back garden terraced!

Not everyone will sit tight in their 90s.

Wow! I admire her for stamina....

Well - good for her for still having "life in the old gal" yet....though my own take on old age is more of an "update me" one than an "update house" one.

Part of why I got on with it - as fast as was possible with the tradesmen here that is......is I was thinking "I'm in my 60's (now early 70's) and so gotta get on with it or I won't have the use of a fully-finished (to me) house for very long at all at that age".

My plans personally have all been based around expecting to live until early 80's and having at least 10 years "wear out of" whatever I do to the house. I understand some people want and/or accept a long life - but I'm not one personally and will be likely to be "throwing something at the walls" and putting in an "official complaint in writing to the Almighty" if I hit an 85th birthday (sorta phrased along lines of "What on earth are you DOING keeping me on Planet Earth this long? You must be a sadist expecting me to stay here even longer....haven't I had enough yet?/can I escape now please...").

That's my personal take - and hence basically come my 80's I'll be thinking "No point in doing anything I can help to the house now? I'll keep it maintained and that's it....but I won't be doing anything new at this age/for such a short remaining lifespan."

Like I said - that's my personal take for myself only of "Living past average lifespan = NO thanks!" whilst I understand some people want to go on longer and a local woman I know said she's set herself a target of living to 100!!!!

So - I do think "Well - good for them" if someone decides to take off trekking across the Sahara on the back of a camel in their 80's (as someone told me about a person they met) or taking up some art or bookwriting or something they'd been waiting all their life to do. But my "OMG - I'm still alive (***!!***)" project would also be of a more personal nature - rather than a DIY nature.

CariadAgain Fri 13-Jun-25 09:05:37

loopyloo

All my friends have had kitchens done at least once. For some reason I have never had a new kitchen fitted. We have moved lots of times and have had a big extension done but but even that included a utility room but did not refurb the kitchen.
Is it to do with my grammar school education? That women were not totally kitchen based? Or am I too stingy to spend that much money?

Who knows indeed what formative influences we've all had LOL?

My education was grammar school too - until it swopped over to being half of a comprehensive school. Though I was glad personally to being rid of Latin lessons. I'm startled these days to look back and think just what a formative influence that school was - it certainly had its good points and their intention seemed to be to turn out "people who think for themselves" and they didn't do a bad job at that.

I guess my own formative influences in that respect would boil down to until my mother got too old to care any longer she wanted housework to be something that was as quick/easy as possible (now that sentiment - at any rate - I could agree with if not much else to do with her) and hence my kitchen is "time and motion conscious" in the way I had it done. The main thing I think on looking at kitchens = do they work?

I don't plead guilty to changing perfectly adequate/decent quality furniture frequently for no reason I could see - which was another thing my mother did.

I'd had to get cheaper furniture than "my own" to start with and that had to last me years. The reason for that was being single and poorly-paid (meaning I couldn't afford what I'd decided on). It's only been very recently that I could think "Right - mid-price range and decent quality it is then - and as logically functional as possible". Cue for that meant things like:
- the wicker bedside table I'd been making do with went (too much dusting and 2 mini-shelves) and got replaced with an oak bedside cabinet (way less dusting and 3 drawers). The wicker storage chest went (that dusting again and not really solid enough to sit on) and was replaced by an oak chest and defo solid enough to sit on. Kitchen stools - a misbuy (as one of them kept on unscrewing itself) and replaced with solid wood ones and a style that can't "unscrew itself". So - all decisions made with logic of "I couldnt afford my stuff before - and now I can. So I'll have stuff that works efficiently now. I'm not getting any younger to have all that extra faff of the older stuff that I bought to make do with until......".

petra Fri 13-Jun-25 09:03:23

Doodledog

What has a grammar school education got to do with any of this?

Diddly squat. But I suppose it had to be mentioned ๐Ÿ˜‰

Doodledog Fri 13-Jun-25 08:54:52

What has a grammar school education got to do with any of this?

NotSpaghetti Fri 13-Jun-25 08:51:58

LovesBach
Yes,
Not just the bricks but hideous windows and driveways... out of keeping doors too!

NotSpaghetti Fri 13-Jun-25 08:49:41

loopyloo - I have moved numerous times and only once refitted my kitchen. Something had to be done this time as we'd taken a wall out!

M0nica Fri 13-Jun-25 08:45:52

loopyloo

All my friends have had kitchens done at least once. For some reason I have never had a new kitchen fitted. We have moved lots of times and have had a big extension done but but even that included a utility room but did not refurb the kitchen.
Is it to do with my grammar school education? That women were not totally kitchen based? Or am I too stingy to spend that much money?

I think it is a question of luck, taste and money. When we bought new houses we were quite happy to live with the kitchen provided. When we bought renovation projects we replaced the kitchen because the old one was clapped out and falling apart or virtually non existent.

LovesBach Fri 13-Jun-25 08:38:59

Agreed NotSpaghetti. I live in an area of Victorian houses, and some owners have cleaned the bricks, making that particular home stand out like a shiny sore thumb in a row of houses that have gained a soft patina of weathering over the years.
Why are the 'mind your own business' remarks still being made? This subject has created seven pages of comments and, as has been said, not giving an opinion on anything unconnected to your own business would result in no threads at all for the most part. Scroll on, dear complainers, scroll on - and perhaps don't give your opinion about someone else giving theirs.

loopyloo Fri 13-Jun-25 08:29:10

All my friends have had kitchens done at least once. For some reason I have never had a new kitchen fitted. We have moved lots of times and have had a big extension done but but even that included a utility room but did not refurb the kitchen.
Is it to do with my grammar school education? That women were not totally kitchen based? Or am I too stingy to spend that much money?

NotSpaghetti Fri 13-Jun-25 08:27:48

You are right Chaitriona - everyone is different.

Lots of lovely homes of yesteryear have been totally ruined by improvements!

Chaitriona Fri 13-Jun-25 07:18:24

Some people dread having workmen in their homes and avoid it if they can, particularly if they are older and not very well.
I am one such and tend to live with things I hate for years and only get a house as I want it, before I sell it. Which is ridiculous really. I have not been helped by my husband who hates all effort and says things are fine.
Having said that, one person's improvements are another person's destruction..
My present house was divided into an upper and lower home in the mid twentieth century, losing a beautiful stained glass stair window which remains in the house attached to it, next door which was also divided but in a different way.
I am glad to say that little was done after that and many beautiful features remain. Even the original brass keys in all the door locks.

NotSpaghetti Fri 13-Jun-25 00:13:33

butterandjam - my mother-in-law moved into a "new to her" house at 95.
She rewired, redecorated, put in a new kitchen and bathroom, revamped the utility, took up the carpets in the hall and staircase and had the wood sanded and polished.. she had a new boiler, moved all the plugs and lights about, had new radiators downstairs, ripped everything out of the front garden (and reinvented it) and then had the back garden terraced!

Not everyone will sit tight in their 90s.

Allira Thu 12-Jun-25 23:00:46

butterandjam

"Ths thing is - you could update a home when you're in your 60s and think that's it!
If you should live to your 90s and still able to live at home, then it will look dated. "

Anyone who lives to their 90's is going to look pretty dated.
I think it's cool to co-ordinate your face with your furnishings.

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Musicgirl Thu 12-Jun-25 23:00:09

Madmeg, we have a lot of Nathan furniture, bought secondhand and mostly from charity shops. It is very good quality and if you could get the same quality today, you would spend north of ยฃ20,000 rather than the few hundred pounds we have spent over the years. We have bought many other items secondhand and the mix and match approach works for us. It is a home to be enjoyed and lived in and not a show home. It is also timeless rather than dated (l hope!) and as long as it is clean and tidy, l hope it is also welcoming.

rowyn Thu 12-Jun-25 22:10:10

Ditto. And thanks Petra.

butterandjam Thu 12-Jun-25 21:35:12

"Ths thing is - you could update a home when you're in your 60s and think that's it!
If you should live to your 90s and still able to live at home, then it will look dated. "

Anyone who lives to their 90's is going to look pretty dated.
I think it's cool to co-ordinate your face with your furnishings.