Police and Crime Commissioners

feetlebaum I think the reasoning behind spoiling the ballot paper is that it is an active response to a poll and the member of the electorate shouldn't, therefore, be dismissed as apathetic. However, spoiled votes are not separately counted so it doesn't serve any purpose nowadays in the UK.

Not voting is a perfectly acceptable form of protest - spoiling ballot papers is pointless. I have never missed a vote since becoming 21 - but I think I shall ignore this one.

When do we vote for dog-catcher? I shall be there for that... </sarcasm>

I think the low turnout that is predicted will make the whole thing totally undemocratic; and I have heard of several people who plan to spoil their ballot papers in protest.

I wish there was 'candidate' called leave things as they are!

My worry is that, unless whoever wins has some personal experience, budgets for victims will be cut.

Thanks for the link JessM I have found it very useful and I will vote tomorrow.

I am torn. I would normally support Labour as a lifetime (S Welsh) habit. The Labour candidate is the only one that I would put forward for an interview if I was looking at their CVs. But I fear he may be too keen to please the police unions and that this will make the task of being an impartial manager difficult for him in these troubled times.
Of course Boris fulfils this role in London doesn't he. How do we think that has gone?

anno Even the BNP can only vote for the candidates who are standing and there's pretty much nothing to choose between the four in my area.

I am in two minds about voting or not in this election. I don't think my vote will make much difference, although they are using a form of proportional representation - a sop the the Lib Dems, I should think - but on the other hand, if, for example, the BNP organised all their supporters to come out to vote, and the rest of us didn't bother, think of the kind of person who might, by default, get elected.

janeainsworth That is a valid point but is counterbalanced by the fact that many members of the public know very well that the police will do absolutely nothing about some crimes so it seems pointless to report them – a process that can take up a lot of time. However, I should be very worried if a candidate standing to be the local Police and Crime Commissioner advocated tolerance of crime.

I've no idea about a quorum. I would guess not.

Sorry about typos in next to last sentence.

Well, absent just to be picky and annoying, I think the zero tolerance applies to the public just as much as the police. If crime is not reported, the figures are meaningless. Failure to report crime is tantamount to advocating tolerance, IMHO.
To give you an example of what I mean, the local boat club of which MrA is a member has suffered a spate of petty vandalism - boat covers slashed, masts taken down etc. MrA was prepared to just give a gallic shrug but I pointed out to him that if this is not reported, he is effectively giving permission to the perpetrators to come along and do it again to someone else's boat. Even petty crime shouldn't be tolerated because it quickly builds up and people within a community feel vulnerable. The police rang him within 20 minutes of receiving his email and they are having a meeting at the club later today to see what can be done in terms of prevention.
I completely agree with you about that the police force should not be politicised i and I won't be voting in the elections for Commissioner either.
It will be very interesting to see what the turnout is - I can imagine that many people who would otherwise vote, seeing it as a civic duty, will be staying at home as a protest and a low turn-out will become a very low turn-out - is there a cut-off like a quorum, below which an election is deemed invalid, do you think?

In my area we have a Labour, Conservative and UKIP candidate and one independent. Not one of them has recognised that local crime figures have been steadily decreasing and clean-up rates have been steadily increasing, but all are, apparently, going to bring exactly these things about. As for ZERO TOLERANCE OF CRIME – it's always in capital letters – this is completely meaningless. Does anybody advocate tolerance of crime?

This is a safe Labour seat in general elections, so at a guess…

Absolutely! In my area all the candidates are affiliated to political parties and, as I live in a Labour stronghold, the Labour candidate will win regardless of suitability. Like absentgrana I don't think this should be a political matter. I would prefer to keep the current Police Authority but if I have to have a Commissioner, I'd like someone with the right skills and experience.

I do not want to see the police politicised – and most, but not all of the candidates are ex-councillors, MEPs and other party members. I think Ian Blair did irreparable harm to the Met in the way that he politicised it and London is still suffering from that. I shall not vote – not because I am apathetic but because I believe this absurd idea has been imposed upon the country and I refuse to support it.

Dammit! I have just lost a post I was writing about this strange election of Police and Crime Commissioners. The leaflet came through my letterbox yesterday - almost got thrown out because it was bundled with a lot of other flyers and junk mail. It concerns me that, since candidates are financed (deposits are a hefty £5000) by their political parties, they will be strongly influenced by them. They will be in charge of policing budgets and will be able to hire and fire Chief Constables. Will one individual make these decisions, or will they be consulting their parties? Either way would be risky. I foresee conflict with the ACPO, not to mention the Police Federation.

I think i have just made it clickable:
www.choosemypcc.org.uk

It is an American idea. Elect the sheriff. I find nothing particularly impressive about their legal system, so why would we want to copy it? But thanks for the link.

I feel that its just another salary to find when everything is already stretched, and how much clout will they have in changing decisions, we dont seem to have any idea who is standing and have just been advised to go to the web site to check candidates out.
Its costing an awful lot of money to just have the election, but I am not sure if there are any benefits from the addition of this post.