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Grandchild in my care

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worriedgran Fri 28-Feb-14 00:00:15

Hoping someone can help,
our daughter asked us to look after our 10 yr old,grandaughter and 3yr old grandson,10 weeks ago, she signed a scrap of paper,to say we had parental responsibility (we know now its not official)
Our grandaughter was on the CIN register before she came to us,after initially being on neglected child register, mum drinks too much,as well as drug abuse, dad does the same,
Our grandchildren were meant to come to us for 18 months, so our daughter could deal with her issues,and move somewhere, so her now ex cant find her, everything was okay, mum was happy with the arrangement,but now mum is starting to struggle on her benefits,as we have child benefit , So shes talked to her friends about getting our grandchildren back,as she can no longer afford the alcohol etc,
Social services have been useless,they said its a private arrangement so dont get involved,although children are still on the children in need register,as nothing official has been done, I know I cant apply for a residence order yet,as they havent been with us long enough,
Our grandaughter is happy in her new school,and grandson is settled in nursery,they had to go to new ones as we live 25 miles from their mum,
We were told by social services,if she turns up drunk,we can say,they wont be safe with her,if she comes sober but with the police,we can just say we dont think they will be safe with her,and she,d have to then apply to social services/courts to get them back,but with social services lack of interest,not sure we trust them,
I think its disgusting that she wasnt bothered about them until she struggled financially, neither her or their dad have phoned since we had them, daughter came and saw them at a childrens centre once, we had to organise it, as it was a private arrangement,between us and daughter,
To be honest it feels like social services are relieved theyre with us now,and dont seem bothered,even though grandkids are still on children in need register,incase they did go back to mum,we,ve had no help financial or otherwise, the private arrangement absolves them of any responsibilty,
we know grandaughter was left at home alone for about 3 hours on a couple of occasions, social services are also aware of it,
My question after my ramble is, can we actually do anything else to stop her taking grandkids back, when we know its for drug and alcohol money,
We really are worried about their welfare if they have to go back home,
Can anyone help please

Riverwalk Fri 28-Feb-14 09:10:00

Worriedgran I've no idea what your rights are in this but thought I would bump it up as it was posted at midnight - there are a few members who might be able to help you.

gillybob Fri 28-Feb-14 09:22:52

What a terrible situation worriedgran I cannot offer any real advice except to suggest that you make an appointment to see a family lawyer ASAP. I am sure there is a scheme where you get the first hour or so for free.

I wonder if your daughter has really weighed up the pros and cons of having the children back with her and the responsibility she will then have ? Surely when they are with you she can "enjoy" her drink/drugs safe in the knowledge that she does not have the children to think about. Perhaps you have been unlucky with your initial dealings with social services and it might be worth another go. I don't know really just thinking. Keep us posted . Good luck. Your DGC are lucky to have you. flowers

dogsdinner Fri 28-Feb-14 09:57:57

Agree you need legal advice urgently. I know several people raising their grandchildren in similar circumstances. It can be extremely hard fighting your own child for their child emotionally and financially. Try again with social services you will need their support plus a solicitor specialising in family law. Do you have family support groups in your area, they give advice.

Agus Fri 28-Feb-14 10:52:07

As others have said, you need legal advice but I would also be asking advice from the police. As far as I know, even if your GC are only visiting you and their mother is under the influence of alcohol/drugs and you involve the police, they will not allow her to take the children and they immediately inform Child Protection Agency of the situation. Your daughter then would not have access to the children until Social Services and CPA investigate.

My heart goes out to you worried and I sincerely hope this can be resolved as soon as possible for you and your grandchildren [flower]

Ariadne Fri 28-Feb-14 11:51:29

I think there are quite a few people on GN who will know how to advise you, worriedgran and I know that they will help. I can't, but I can give you a virtual shoulder to lean on..

Thistledoo Fri 28-Feb-14 14:00:24

Worried, I am so sorry for the situation you find yourself in. I empathise completely, as we are in a position where we do not have our GC with us, but wish we did. DD drinks every night and cannot get GC to school for 9 am. She is also living with an undesirable partner who abuses drugs. Its a really difficult situation as GC really loves her mum. If I were in your position I would take the advice given here by other GNs regarding legal advice, do it asap and get proper guardianship in place by the proper route. Good luck and take care of yourself, sending kind thoughts and hugs. flowers

Greenfinch Fri 28-Feb-14 14:27:49

I echo Thistledoo's thoughts. It is my experience that if the police become involved it follows that Social Services do too and then they draw up a report based on their observations of the children with their mother/parents, with you and in the school situation. There is then the possibility that the children could be taken into care which you don't want and which would not be the best for them. We found CAB very helpful and they can suggest solicitors that will give you an hour's free advice. I'm sure you are in a very good position and family members are generally considered first for guardianship.If you can rally a few younger members of the extended family (aunts and uncles ) who are genuinely interested in the welfare of the children that would help too.

dogsdinner Fri 28-Feb-14 16:10:14

Grandparents Plus is a website you might find helpful.

Mishap Fri 28-Feb-14 18:20:27

Social Services should be taking the situation seriously and making proper assessments and ensuring that the children are safe. If that is not happening you need legal advice - please do that as speedily as possible.

TwiceAsNice Fri 28-Feb-14 23:15:32

I echo you should bet legal advice from a solicitor who specialises in family law. If you feel social services are not taking things seriously you could also get some advice from the NSPCC who also deal with child protection. Good luck you must be worried but lovely that you are such a caring grandparent.

TwiceAsNice Fri 28-Feb-14 23:16:04

Sorry bet should read get typing too fast!