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Is this a scam?

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sarahcyn Tue 08-May-18 13:27:46

Our car insurers have contacted me to say we're liable for damage caused to another car in March. The allegation is that when my DH was leaving the supermarket carpark which he goes to pretty well every Saturday, he scraped another car and drove off. Our insurers say that a third party took photos.
Now DH is an extremely cautious driver and comes out of any parking space with elaborate care. He would have remembered any impact and would have stopped, left notes all over the car and told me about it as soon as he got home. He says he has no memory of scraping any other vehicle on any of his recent Saturday supermarket runs.
In addition, our car is a big old Chrysler Grand Voyager and it's simply covered on all sides in dints and scrapes, all inflicted by other vehicles, usually when parked. It would be quite easy to persuade us that one of the scrapes was a new one, self-inflicted.
Is it possible that this is a scam carried out by someone who wants to get their car body work done at our expense?
I'd like to hear from anyone else who's had a similar experience.

pensionpat Tue 08-May-18 13:31:22

Ask the supermarket to look on their CTV.

sarahcyn Tue 08-May-18 14:01:58

I thought of that but it's a fairly big carpark and I doubt it's all covered by CCTV.
If the insurance inspection (which took place last week) says we do have a recent scrape that matches the allegation, I might give the supermarket a ring.

GillT57 Tue 08-May-18 14:17:53

Ask to see the third party photographs?

sarahcyn Tue 08-May-18 14:24:28

That's the first thing I did. I was told by the insurer that they weren't available to us

jusnoneed Tue 08-May-18 14:25:21

I would think they should have independent witnesses, I know when someone hit my sons car even though she put her hands up right away the company wanted to have someone else who had seen the accident.
Otherwise anyone could claim someone had hit their car, and anyone can take a photo of a nearby vehicle.
Very suspicious I would say, you need much more proof and don't agree to take the blame if they don't provide it. Your insurance company should be asking more questions and not simply expecting to pay against your policy.

sarahcyn Tue 08-May-18 14:49:42

jusnoneed, my suspicion is that the "third party" who took photos is the other car owner's friend...

Oldwoman70 Tue 08-May-18 14:52:47

Do you know what time they allege the accident happened? It may be your DH can prove he was somewhere else at the time.

hildajenniJ Tue 08-May-18 15:04:52

This sounds fishy to me. I would definitely press the insurance company for evidence of the alleged incident.
The following is from Insurance Business UK.

“Fraudulent car insurance claims are on the rise, as opportunists try their luck at making exaggerated claims after a genuine accident or reporting injuries to phantom passengers, which have a knock-on financial effect on innocent customers,” said Mark Chiappino, counter fraud manager at Churchill.

Here is a breakdown of the top methods used for fraudulent claims according to the research:
Low-speed impact (when both vehicles collide at low-speed, such as in a car park): 36%
Organised fraud rings: 15%
Phantom passengers (when the claimant was not in the vehicle at the time): 8%.
Induced Road Traffic Accidents (when a motorist deliberately causes an accident with an innocent party, such as by slamming on the brakes): 8%.
Staged Road Traffic Accidents (cases where both vehicles are complicit in a fraud): 7%.
Exaggerated loss/ damage (when an accident occurs and circumstances are exaggerated): 3%.
Indemnity/policy issues (based on a lie when the customer takes out a policy): 2%.

It seems that what the other party is claiming is top of the fraud list.

SpringyChicken Tue 08-May-18 16:52:26

My nephew was in a similar position but the other way round. His car was scraped, the person he accused insisted he was not responsible.
My nephew was initially told by his own insurance company that there wasn’t anything they could do. He was ready to give up. But his wife did a bit of digging and found they did have to help him. So they argued with their own insurance company.
An expert was sent to examine both cars and my nephew was proved right. Paint and position of the damage on the cars proved it. Please insist your insurance company fully investigates.

jusnoneed Tue 08-May-18 17:59:06

Certainly sounds like it Sarah, and if they have photos that show your husband doing the damage why won't they show you?

shandi6570 Tue 08-May-18 18:24:03

Been there, got the t-shirt. My OH apparently scraped another car coming home from work, he knew nothing about it, but when it came to me renewing the insurance for my car with him as a named driver I was informed that he had been in an accident that I hadn't declared!. This came to light because I was disgusted with the amount my insurance company had increased and I was looking for a better deal. My OH contacted his insurer to find that they had indeed known about his 'accident' and had paid out on it, all without even letting us know that this had 'supposedly' happened!!! Their excuse... that he was covered by fully comp, no claims, so wouldn't affect him. Sadly it did affect both him, as he has motorbike insurance with another company and also me, as he is a named driver on my insurance. Believe me, this is a short edited version of what we went through, they have no care, no sensibility, it all comes down to money, money, money.

sarahcyn Sun 13-May-18 17:47:30

shandi6570 what an ordeal!
Thanks all for your wisdom.

grannyticktock Sun 13-May-18 22:16:13

Unless they have a photo of the actual impact, and the other car was stationary (no one at the wheel) at the time, there is no proof of anything. The photos could have been taken by the other car owner, just looking around for a car with lots of scratches that they could pin the blame on. If both cars were being driven at the time of impact, then the other driver could have been at fault (although your OH would obviously have been aware of the knock).