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parental responsibility residency, for my grandchild with two willing parents

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devil78 Thu 15-Apr-21 15:06:07

My grandchild is two and lives in my house with her dad.
dad has shared pr with mum but neither parents are particularly interested in child....mum has been in touch at all since february and last contact was down to child using nannies phone and calling her.
dad lives here with me....my son.. who doesn`t even speak to her half the time, when he does he shouts and tells her to go away..
ss have been in and out of grandchilds life from the start,however the last visit resulted in having a makeshift contract drawn up which stated,there was a safeguarding issue,so neither parent was to remove said child from my premises without a full assessment being carried out from them first if they were to try, we have to ring police. then signed her off saying i was an overprotective granny and they couldnt force her parents to be parents.....

thats all fine and dandy when her dads moving out soon with no intentions of ever taking child with him, he says he cant have his child when he`s at work all day and looking for a 1 bedroom flat. mums not been in touch for weeks and has no fixed abode, the last 3 visits we`ve set up she`s cancelled to get her hair extensions done and her nails and a tattoo.
and if being overprotective means jumping between parents to take baby literally out of there arms whilst they kicking and punching each other or watching dad scream in childs face ,push her away or smack her so hard a handprints still under her nappy two hrs later then yes im an overprotective gran.
ithis little girl need her needs sorting but i feel the systems letting her down what do i do????

FarNorth Thu 15-Apr-21 15:10:14

Are you willing to be the stand-in parent after your son has left?

devil78 Thu 15-Apr-21 15:13:19

yes both me and my husband are happy to, were doing it now anyways

B9exchange Thu 15-Apr-21 15:18:44

It seems to me this is definitely a safeguarding issue for Social Services. If you are prepared to act in loco parentis, then that needs to be formally sorted out. Since the parents obviously want nothing to do with their child and you can provide a loving home, then that needs to be legally sorted.
All praise to you for taking the child on, s/he desperately needs some security in his/her life.

devil78 Thu 15-Apr-21 15:33:05

i dont want to take her away from them completely, she has a right to know where she comes from whatever the circumstances but i do want to be able to get her into school and get her health ,eyes teeth injections etc, somebody needs to ensure her needs are met.

3nanny6 Thu 15-Apr-21 15:38:09

If your GC is living in your house and neither parent are taking responsibility for her (it sounds like your son is moving and not taking her with him) then provision has to be made who will be the childs legal guardians.
Are the S.S. still involved and if so do they know that your GC is physically being smacked hard by your son. The S.S will take something like that seriously as well as the arguments between your son and his partner and they will take the step to put your GC on a Child Protection order which sounds to me like that is what needs to happen.

You need to take action about this yourself and not let your GC be abused by either parent as that is wrong. You should get your son to leave the property as soon as possible if he assualts your GC again then you should inform the police and also tell them to ask him to leave your property.

You need to get S.S on your case and also you can apply for a residency order or it may be called Kinship order you can find out about it on the internet and then you will have the custody of your GC.
You have not got an easy lot on your plate but everything must be sorted out for your GC the sooner the better, best of luck with it.

devil78 Thu 15-Apr-21 15:51:35

a protection order was placed when child was just over a yr old,child in need but when we had our second meeting a new worker was put in place who signed us off sayin just overprotective, she was the 1 who drew up the fake contract.....turns out she was trainee.
i threw my boy out after the handprint incident at which point ss were contacted after my son went 4 emergency housing and in turn they wanted to know why my son needs housing.....ss checked were gc was living n said theyd b in touch,that was 3 mnths ago,i rang them this morning n theyve signed off sayin i got her covered.

3nanny6 Thu 15-Apr-21 16:09:07

Devil78 I am not sure that your post is making sense.
If a Child Protection Order was put in place when your GC
was 1 year old or do you mean A Child in Need Order they are two different orders.
I also do not understand about only having a second meeting and then being signed off.
There is no possible way that "fake contracts" can be drawn up particularly by trainees, everything must go by written conditions back at the S.S.offices.

It is good you threw your son out and yet you say he is still living with you did he come back?
Also the S.S need chasing up as if they have left things for 3 months that is too long have you been given a residency Order?

EllanVannin Thu 15-Apr-21 16:26:27

You should really apply for guardianship of the child. This has to be done through court but if you put it to the social worker then they should see that it happens.

DiscoDancer1975 Fri 16-Apr-21 16:00:54

What a sad situation, and well done to you for stepping up and caring for this little girl. I can only echo other posts, in that it needs to be on a legal footing, to protect you, and most importantly, your little granddaughter. I do hope it all works out for you. I ‘m sure she’ll bring you so much joy.

3nanny6 Sat 17-Apr-21 13:22:56

Devil78 : you did not come back and tell us how things are.
I do hope things have improved.

devil78 Sun 25-Apr-21 07:15:54

Sorry guys things Ave been a little busy here.... Ss update, I rang the and they signed gd off, no communication at all.
Gd missing her mum, so I let her video call,... No answer, took 4 days to get hold of her she reckons she doesn't need to be in touch cis she put her name down on list for housing and she taking her back so no need for communication with her daughter.
Son got himself arrested for abusive behaviour towards a new girlfriend.
I just GONNA Have to go thru courts.

M0nica Sun 25-Apr-21 08:03:47

It would be good if this poor wee thing kept contact with her parents if possible, but do not get hung up on it. What this child needs more than anything is a stability. A secure home and carers.

The child clearly has totally immature and unsatisfactory parents, who, at present are neither interested in the child nor her needs. So concentrate on providing her with a secure home with you and move fostering a relationship with her parents well down the list.

nightowl Sun 25-Apr-21 09:29:44

Ideally you need legal advice and help to apply to the courts for a Special Guardianship Order which will give you parental responsibility and the right to make all the day to day decisions about your grandchild. It will also prevent the parents removing her from your care. I realise this is expensive and it is possible to make the application yourself although obviously more daunting to do this without specialist support.

The first step if you decide to go it alone is to write to your local Family Court to request ‘leave to apply’ for a Special Guardianship Order. This is the first step because grandparents do not have automatic rights to apply for any orders for grandchildren. If you explain that the child lives with you and has been subject to Children’s Services involvement it is very likely leave will be granted and you will be advised what steps to take next. You can of course seek legal advice at any stage of the process.

You could approach Children’s Services again to ask for their support with this plan of action, they may help you but in my experience their likely response is to advise you to seek legal advice. You have nothing to lose by asking though. If it is likely that your grandchild would need their intervention without your support and care (which seems obvious from what you have told us) they do have responsibilities towards her and you may be entitled to a support plan including financial support. This is where legal advice would be the best option, if you can afford it. Good luck.

geekesse Sun 25-Apr-21 10:33:21

I can’t figure this out clearly. Are these events happening in the U.K. or another country? The appropriate way forward will depend on which jurisdiction the OP and grandchild live in.

nightowl Sun 25-Apr-21 10:43:02

That’s very true geekesse. The terminology and language used led me to believe this was England or Wales, but if not then my advice is useless. I forgot to say, in England or Wales, kinship.org.uk is an excellent source of advice and support.