Landlord's rights

It's not always possible to know. A landlord can provide a bad tenant with a good reference just to get rid of them. Their credit history may be good but that doesn't guarantee they'll pay their rent on time, if at all.

It's absolutely right that tenants are protected from rogue landlords but IMO in an attempt to redress the balance it's gone too far the other way.

Landlords need protection from rogue tenants and as the law stands unless they have the money for legal action which can cost thousands, there's very little they can do.

They need to factor in the cost of getting rid of bad tenants. I've seen this from both sides and I get quite cross that amateurs think it's a way to make a quick buck. If letting is too much hassle, sell up and release the property for the owner occupier market.

We always have factored in the cost of getting rid of bad tenants growstuff but that doesn't mean we're happy about it or think it's right that we should have too.

Letting can be a hassle and selling a property that's been turned into a sh*t hole with a sitting tenant is easier said than done and of course reduces the market value.

Blondiescot if you were earning money out of it, it’s income. It’s a business. If you’re not up to the task or find it too hard that’s your problem, not your tenants:

At the end of the day, homes aren’t investments. They’re just that - homes. Got one already? Excellent, you don’t need another. Get a real job.

Yes I agree that homes aren't investments but properties that are bought to be let out are. Either the entire amount of the money received in rent is additional income or is used to cover the monthly repayments on a buy to let mortgage.

An unnecessarily aggressive post AmberSpyglass and private landlords are providing homes to people who without them may not be able to have a home.

Newattis
Yes I have had experience, twice.
One set of tenants never paid us a penny rent after the initial deposit. Then ruined the flat by allowing their animals to defecate everywhere on new carpets.
With the other set we discovered from complaints by the flat underneath that they were hot bedding with the flat.
We didn’t involve any agencies to deal with our problem, we dealt with it ourselves ?

And if no-one rented property out where would all the people who can’t afford to buy live AmberSpyglass? There isn’t enough social housing so the private rental sector is essential. And it’s not always a business - people may rent their home out while working away for a time, or as in my Mum’s case inherit a property they can’t face selling straight away.

But the BTL market has pushed up the price of property. If a landlord can't make a profit (and that includes bad tenants, redecorating,maintenance, insurance, fees, taxes, etc) the property should be sold.

Germanshepherdsmum

And if no-one rented property out where would all the people who can’t afford to buy live AmberSpyglass? There isn’t enough social housing so the private rental sector is essential. And it’s not always a business - people may rent their home out while working away for a time, or as in my Mum’s case inherit a property they can’t face selling straight away.

It's a property, not an emotional possession.

I bought my little house when my husband died and have kept after moving in with my partner because if he dies or goes into care, I will move back.

I have let it, but now, given the expense and hassle I’ve had with a tenant, with no legal redress, I shall let it stand empty in future and just pop over occasionally.

A good property no longer available for rent.

growstuff, when you love the person who left their home to you as much as my mum loved her mum, who died very suddenly, there’s a great deal of emotion attached to it. I had the same experience when both my parents died unexpectedly within three months of one another, leaving me my childhood home, where they had lived all their married life. I sold it but I don’t think you would understand the grief I felt when I did so, and indeed still do over twenty years later. I can’t go down that road to this day.

So in your mum's case there was emotional attachment GSM.

Why should the property be sold growstuff? Landlord's can make money by having the property they let out as a long term investment.

The BTL market is one of the factors that's resulted in pushing up property prices and it's also provided housing that's been lost in social housing.

The number of privately owned properties to let has been reducing because of a change in taxation in relation to BTL mortgages and because of the increasing difficulties land lords face when wishing to evict.

AmberSpyglass

Blondiescot if you were earning money out of it, it’s income. It’s a business. If you’re not up to the task or find it too hard that’s your problem, not your tenants:

Totally unnecessary. One personal experience of a disgusting tenant. Also having to live next door to two others. Private landlords are providing homes that once upon a time the country used to do. Gone too far the other way, giving tenants more rights and I would recommend no one goes into this business. In Germany all tenants of private property have to do their own repairs, unless it’s structural, provide their own flooring and kitchens.Have to make good before they leave otherwise it’s a court order. Perhaps we should adopt that system. Make tenants responsible for the homes they are living in.

On the subject of emotional attachment to homes, they may well be mere bricks and mortar but I don't think it's unusual for such feelings, a home is for many a place of memories. My children often wax lyrical about the two houses they grew up in, particularly the last one where we lived for 19 years. In fact when we announced we were selling it my younger son, very tongue in cheek, wailed "don't do it think of the children!" both having flown the nest for at least 5 years and although he was joking when he said that, it has surprised and maybe I didn't bargain for it that they had quite deep attachments to our last house in particular.

I also have my late brother's flat I rent out, on occasions at "mates rates" to our children. I have been lucky to have had some very good tenants and always try to be an equally good landlord in fulfilling my obligations set out in the rental agreement drawn up by the management company. I imagine it must be devastating to find your property wilfully trashed, commiserations to those posters who have experienced that.

I know not all landlords honour their side of the agreement, my children have been tenants and had some ghastly landlords. When my son was at university he rented a house with other students and the landlord, whilst they were in situ, tried to embark on extending the back of the house without consulting them, they only found out when his builders arrived one Monday morning with bulldozers. Only after a strongly worded solicitor's letter did the landlord back off, he knew perfectly well what he was proposing to do was illegal, but thought they'd put up with it because they were young and naive.

AmberSpyglass

At the end of the day, homes aren’t investments. They’re just that - homes. Got one already? Excellent, you don’t need another. Get a real job.

Wow, that’s a bit judgemental. I worked my socks off for over 40 years, but when I was forced into early retirement I still had seven years to go before I could claim a state pension. I used my modest payoff to buy a studio flat to tide me over, and still take part time jobs when I can find them. I’m sure there are many, many people in my position who never intended to be landlords but who need some extra income, especially single women and people who can’t rely on the pension system, state or private.

Good for you Floriel. Putting your money into a buy to let property gives you a better and potentially more secure income than if you had invested elsewhere as well as capital appreciation (though you will pay CGT when you sell) and it gives someone a home. People like you tend to be good landlords and in your situation I would have done exactly the same. I’m afraid the politics of envy tend to creep into this sort of discussion though I can absolutely understand that.

AmberSpyglass

Blondiescot if you were earning money out of it, it’s income. It’s a business. If you’re not up to the task or find it too hard that’s your problem, not your tenants:

That's very unfair. FYI, the two properties are attached to my own home, which has been our family home for four generations now, so what else am I supposed to do with them - leave them lying empty? They are actually rented out at quite a bit less than the market rent for similar-sized properties in this area. I'm more than capable of managing them myself, thank you very much - but I wouldn't be choosing to be a landlord if I hadn't found myself in this situation.

I’ve not waded through all the responses to the OP but as a landlord myself I suggest you look at this link (below) & get in touch with Mark Dawson.
Solicitors in the experience of others’ who have reported to a LL forum I belong to, are notoriously not good at helping landlords oust terrible tenants. Mark Dawson gets right in there & gets things moving. Go for it!
www.ast-assistance.com/?fbclid=IwAR2ltyZfk1It5NIRK5HU4JP4vwmw2tMHfsZqrBx_K4KAVVZwWV34BiDQ-QM

Germanshepherdsmum

Good for you Floriel. Putting your money into a buy to let property gives you a better and potentially more secure income than if you had invested elsewhere as well as capital appreciation (though you will pay CGT when you sell) and it gives someone a home. People like you tend to be good landlords and in your situation I would have done exactly the same. I’m afraid the politics of envy tend to creep into this sort of discussion though I can absolutely understand that.

It's not the politics of envy. It's business.

Presumably OP took a damage deposit, which is held with an authorised company. Additionally, she should have been budgeting for at least 10% of the gross rental income on maintenance and more for wear and tear. Most of it is tax deductible. For any property let for more than two years, my ex husband redecorates the whole property and puts in new carpets. Unless there's structural damage, it doesn't really matter how clean the tenants leave the property because it will be redecorated anyway. All white goods are replaced after a few years. He still makes a healthy profit and hasn't done a proper job for over 20 years.

If a tenant stays for two years, there should be a "pot" of a few thousand pounds to bring the property back to "new". Responsible landlords budget for that. If they can't make it work, they should sell.

Nonogran

I’ve not waded through all the responses to the OP but as a landlord myself I suggest you look at this link (below) & get in touch with Mark Dawson.
Solicitors in the experience of others’ who have reported to a LL forum I belong to, are notoriously not good at helping landlords oust terrible tenants. Mark Dawson gets right in there & gets things moving. Go for it!
www.ast-assistance.com/?fbclid=IwAR2ltyZfk1It5NIRK5HU4JP4vwmw2tMHfsZqrBx_K4KAVVZwWV34BiDQ-QM

Exactly Nonogran. If you know what you're doing, it's not that difficult to evict.

Floriel

AmberSpyglass

At the end of the day, homes aren’t investments. They’re just that - homes. Got one already? Excellent, you don’t need another. Get a real job.

Wow, that’s a bit judgemental. I worked my socks off for over 40 years, but when I was forced into early retirement I still had seven years to go before I could claim a state pension. I used my modest payoff to buy a studio flat to tide me over, and still take part time jobs when I can find them. I’m sure there are many, many people in my position who never intended to be landlords but who need some extra income, especially single women and people who can’t rely on the pension system, state or private.

That's why the whole economy needs a shake-up, so that spare cash can be invested elsewhere and the whole property market isn't distorted by rentals.

The notice served will give the tenant notice to leave, which is 4 months with a section 21

It was 4 months’ notice during the pandemic but from 1st October it’s gone back down to two months’ notice.

TerriBull I know there are some good landlords. I'm very lucky that I have one myself. I also understand why people invest in rental property as a source of income.

The trouble is that whenever there's a thread about bad tenants, people pile in with their experiences, which gives the impression that all tenants are bad. It's not difficult to make money out of rentals and bad tenants really should be factored in to any business plan. Even with the occasional bad tenant, property still usually makes money because the capital appreciates.

Problems arise when people can't let the property go emotionally. I saw this with my next door neighbour's house. The owner passed away and the daughter inherited the house and decided to let it. She couldn't accept that it wasn't a family house and kept on criticising the tenants. They didn't get the windows cleaned and didn't maintain the garden as her mother had done. She kept moaning to me. I was in the middle because the tenants kept moaning to me about how intrusive she was and kept going round to look over the fence at the garden and stopping their car outside to look at the windows. Eventually, the tenants had enough and moved out, paying for professionals to give the whole house a deep clean and for the garden to be left immaculate. The daughter was quite put out that she had to return all the damage deposit. The point was that she had signed over certain rights to the tenants and it was "their" house during the duration of the tenure. It didn't matter what it looked like until it was handed back.

Thankfully, the daughter has now decided to pay for a letting agent to do the job professionally and keeps away from the house.

“It didn't matter what it looked like until it was handed back.”

In most leases there is a clause that states that the property must be cleaned and cared for properly and the landlord has the fight to inspect the property periodically. Many agencies actually inspect properties monthly to make sure they are being cleaned and not being used for illegal purposes.