Telegraph headline: set one generation against another

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Why do we not just tell it like the RMT chap did yesterday and say, loud and clear to our Government, broadly speaking you are all liars?

Probably because there is no representative of pensioners, and it would be difficult to find one, as people's views of what is 'fair' differ so wildly.

What would be better, and possibly more objective, would be to have an independent body with a remit to uncover lies in the press and in parliament. A fact-checking tsar or similar, who looked into headlines and political statements about all sorts of things. Even that would be difficult, of course, as 'facts' are notoriously slippery concepts.

Surely it is the press who have manipulated the information?

Which is why a Facts Tsar (however unlikely it is that we'll ever get one) would have to be independent of the press and government.

Knowing such a body existed might deter the media and politicians from churning out misinformation, particularly if there were penalties attached; but I suspect that far too much time would be wasted arguing over detail to make any progress. As I say, 'facts' are slippery concepts and can often contradict one another.

It sounds as if The Telegraph is manipulating facts. I don't read that paper and if that article is the standard of reporting I won't bother. The State Pension rose by just over 3% and that's what the majority of the country exists on. I would very much doubt any privare ones rose by 10% . I wonder where they got their invitation from.

I have a few years to go before I get mine, so I'm not sure of the detail, but will it be that the triple lock will push it up at the next increase? Inflation is knocking on 10%, and probably will be there by April, if that's when the increase comes in.

The fact that 10% of not a lot is even less gets forgotten though, as does the fact that it's not a rise but a way of keeping up with inflation. Also, the pay cut being offered to workers is in real terms, not an actual cut, so the information is being presented in different ways.

The fuel cost of living rise in October will cost about one third of the average state pension!

It is often difficult for older people to improve their income. Many pensioners (unlike people of working age) suffer health problems which do not allow them to take on an extra job Nor should they be obliged to having done their share for the community by the work they did and the taxes they already paid.

The 10% rise is what they are projecting for next year, assuming inflation is 10% in Sept.

I dont know how pensioners on the basic state pension without some kind of "side hustle" are going to manage. It must be very scary.

That's me. And it is.

Not every pensioner will receive 10% as predicted next year. Those of us who retired before 2016 receive the "old" state pension and we will receive zilch like that amount.

I will be 79 next month and really beyond working age I would have thought. I doubt if I would be taken on by anybody as slave labour.

Charleygirl5

Not every pensioner will receive 10% as predicted next year. Those of us who retired before 2016 receive the "old" state pension and we will receive zilch like that amount.

I will be 79 next month and really beyond working age I would have thought. I doubt if I would be taken on by anybody as slave labour.

I think everybody will get a 10% rise Charleygirl5, but 10% of a lower pension is obviously less than 10% of the new full rate pension. Unfair.

We were also sold up the river over the TV lisence. That was shameful. I cancelled mine when I hit 70 and have never re-instated it. They had the nerve to send me a letter recently which I marked "not known" and shoved back into the mail.

Typical Tory tactic to set one group against another while they carry on twiddling their thumbs. The Torygraph is a Con mouthpiece.

Grantanow

Typical Tory tactic to set one group against another while they carry on twiddling their thumbs. The Torygraph is a Con mouthpiece.

Divide and rule….

Well if the rest of the population is happy to live on an income equal to the state pension, then they are welcome to my 10% increase.

I doubt whether they will rushing to do so.

I am pretty most occupational pensions have a ceiling on annual rises. Usually around 5% or thereabouts, or what the pension fund can afford, which means the increase could be nothing

Ah! Found the proof
Defined Benefit (DB) pension schemes provide pension benefits based on salary and length of service. There are statutory minimum requirements on them to: Index pensions in payment in line with inflation, capped at 5% for benefits accruing from service between April 1997 and April 2005, and at 2.5% for benefits accruing from April 2005 – known as Limited Price Indexation (LPI) (Pensions Act 1995, s51); Revalue the deferred pensions of early leavers in line with inflation capped at 5%, and at 2.5% for rights accrued on or after 6 April 2009 (Pension Schemes Act 1993).Importantly, these are statutory minimum requirements -there is nothing to prevent schemes from making more generous arrangements through their scheme rules.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05656/

Casdon

Charleygirl5

Not every pensioner will receive 10% as predicted next year. Those of us who retired before 2016 receive the "old" state pension and we will receive zilch like that amount.

I will be 79 next month and really beyond working age I would have thought. I doubt if I would be taken on by anybody as slave labour.

I think everybody will get a 10% rise Charleygirl5, but 10% of a lower pension is obviously less than 10% of the new full rate pension. Unfair.

Unfair
I agree.