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The implications of a person changing his or her surname

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StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 10:23:34

Many (most?) men go through life with the surname that is on their birth certificate.

Some change their surname, for various reasons.

Many (most?) women who marry change their surname upon marriage.

Upon divorce, some women revert to their birth surname.

I suppose there could be situations where a widowed woman remarries then divorces and goes back to her former married name.

Starting a new job, starting to receive occupational pension, are two examples where a person needs to produce a birth certificate (I used a certify copy, no way was I risking using the original document, just in case grin)

For me, male, it was straightforward, but what happens when, say, a woman starts a job while unmarried, later marries, then years later claims her occupatinal pension?

Is it straightforward, basically because in our culture a woman often (usually?) changes her surname upon marriage, so the system is designed to recognise that as "how it is" or is it a lot of hassle?

What if a woman is employed then marries and changes her surname generally, but continues to use her birth surname at work?

And so on?

Please discuss.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 15:01:08

I shall be over to the cruise thread shortly, stardreamer smile

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 15:00:45

Oh that's too easy MissA, must be other onesmile.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 15:00:29

Everybody, please meander, that's fine, and indeed interesting. smile

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:58:45

Smileless2012

Oh that's really strange MissA. We did call our GM's little gran and big gran. Mum's mum was physically shorter and more petite so she was little gran.

Yes apologies StarDreamer for meandering.

Me and other nan are the same height, but guess which one is much fatter? grin

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:57:07

I'm really interested in names; their meanings, if they have any affects on people's lives, and so on.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 14:56:02

MissAdventure

We were, or at least stardreamer was, before we began meandering. blush

You may meander as does the river Main in Germany, which reminds me that as I get over the heatwave I need to get back to the virtual cruise.

LINK > Virtual cruise from Mainz along the river Main

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:55:51

Oh that's really strange MissA. We did call our GM's little gran and big gran. Mum's mum was physically shorter and more petite so she was little gran.

Yes apologies StarDreamer for meandering.

Chewbacca Wed 20-Jul-22 14:53:45

In tge maternal side of my family, a surname was given as a middle Christian name to the first born daughter, so that it didn't "die out", so's to speak. I know that one of my cousins had it, and passed it down to her first born daughter. thoroughly derailed the thread now!

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 14:50:46

MissAdventure

When my grandson was born, his other nan was keen to sort out who would be called what, smiles.
She told my daughter that in her family they had big nanny and little nanny.
My daughter told her she may as well give up on that idea, because I would never agree to being big nanny!

grin

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:46:09

We were, or at least stardreamer was, before we began meandering. blush

BlueBelle Wed 20-Jul-22 14:44:03

When my second marriage failed (he went off with an old girlfriend) I reverted to my first husbands name not because I had any love for him or any feelings if loyalty at all but because I couldn’t bear having a different name to my three children who were all husband number 1 s
I did it by deed poll and have had that name ever since
My son obviously has that name my eldest didn’t marry but never took her partners name and my youngest reverted back after divorce so we all are back to square one with the same surname (absolutely no influence from me)
As I am very good friends with all his family brothers sisters etc it still feels fine ( he moved a long way away and has since died)

We are talking about surnames aren’t we ?

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:33:21

When my grandson was born, his other nan was keen to sort out who would be called what, smiles.
She told my daughter that in her family they had big nanny and little nanny.
My daughter told her she may as well give up on that idea, because I would never agree to being big nanny!

Kalu Wed 20-Jul-22 14:32:52

Upon marriage. I took DH’s name. He was perfectly aware my decision did not give him ownership of me. As if!?

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:30:12

Well, nobody really knew what my dads real name was.
He was called the diminutive of his original name, mostly, but every now and then the one my nan chose would crop up on paperwork.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:30:09

Not sure either my gran or mum would have agreed to have been referred too as 'big .....' in fact just thinking about the look on their faces had it been suggested, has made me laugh.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:28:14

smile
It does make you wonder why you were given that name, really.

I've only really heard of that with males.
"Big john"
"Little John" type names. (Or John Boy)

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:26:06

Did that ever cause your dad any problems MissA?

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:24:34

Yes, official documents have my given names MissA.

Years ago there was panic following surgery I'd undergone because they were using my given first name to talk to me and bring me round but I must have been ignoring them as I slumbered because I'm never called it.

I did say that they'd have to use the name I'm used too, but they must have forgotten and apparently there was a bit of a panic until someone must have remembered.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:20:48

My nan, after naming my dad and getting the birth certificate, changed her mind.
So, she scribbled out the name on the certificate and wrote the one she now preferred.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:19:29

I've no idea StarDreamer I wouldn't have thought so as she'd have her birth certificate with her original surname as well as her marriage certificate.

We had friends who did that MissA, made a double barrelled surname out of their surnames. I remember some animated discussion as to whose would go first. Her's in the end because it sounded better that way.

Jaxjacky Wed 20-Jul-22 14:18:04

StarDreamer I’ve changed my surname twice through marriage, the third time I chose not to, my children have the surname of their father, no problems encountered.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:17:30

Do official documents have your given name on them, smiles?

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:13:08

Nowadays some men take their partners name, too.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 14:13:05

That is interesting.

So if a woman who has married and changed her surname needs to get Letters of Administration regarding the estate of her intestate father, does that produce a problem?

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:12:59

My GF's is first StarDreamer because it sounds better that way and there's a hyphen between them. He didn't want our GF's name to disappear from our family which would have been the case as our mum and his sister, were the only children.

Ah well my name causes problems MissA. I'm not called by my first name as it was my mum's and maternal GM's and it was thought having 3 with the same name would be confusing.

Begs the question why they chose it in the first place. So, I'm called by an abbreviated version of my second name, the full name being after my paternal GM.