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The implications of a person changing his or her surname

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StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 10:23:34

Many (most?) men go through life with the surname that is on their birth certificate.

Some change their surname, for various reasons.

Many (most?) women who marry change their surname upon marriage.

Upon divorce, some women revert to their birth surname.

I suppose there could be situations where a widowed woman remarries then divorces and goes back to her former married name.

Starting a new job, starting to receive occupational pension, are two examples where a person needs to produce a birth certificate (I used a certify copy, no way was I risking using the original document, just in case grin)

For me, male, it was straightforward, but what happens when, say, a woman starts a job while unmarried, later marries, then years later claims her occupatinal pension?

Is it straightforward, basically because in our culture a woman often (usually?) changes her surname upon marriage, so the system is designed to recognise that as "how it is" or is it a lot of hassle?

What if a woman is employed then marries and changes her surname generally, but continues to use her birth surname at work?

And so on?

Please discuss.

biglouis Mon 25-Jul-22 01:52:54

Many women simply adopt their partners name even if they are not married. Or they may change their name for business or professional reasons.

I simply changed my name "by usage" by writing to relevent parties such as my bank, tax office etc and announcing the fact. To those which required "evidence" I bought a statutary declaration form from a law stationers and asked someone to witness it. The witness person does not have to be a lawyer or solicitor. I asked my then doctor and they charged me £5. The form itself was £3. This was back in the 1980s.

I still have the form somewhere.

Prinkle Sat 23-Jul-22 08:33:51

I think I’m unusual in that I kept my first husband’s name after my remarriage. My first husband had died after our divorce. My current husband doesn’t mind and ‘my’ name is easier than his so he sometimes uses it too. To be honest, I didn’t want a long list of names which indicate my marital history and I couldn’t be bothered to tell banks, utilities etc that I had new name. I answer to both names, as does my husband! There’s nothing sinister in it, I’ve no dark secrets and I’ve got the same name as my sons.

Iam64 Sat 23-Jul-22 08:11:21

I’m one of those people who didn’t change my name when I married. Other countries manage well without women being expected to abandon their family name and become Mrs X

Allsorts Fri 22-Jul-22 22:55:12

Never encountered problems. You let the tax office know, that's the important bit and tell everyone else. With some people keeping their maiden name apon marriage, I wonder if the children have mothers or fathers surname, you can't keep double barrelling it for ever more. I wanted us all to have the same surname until I remarried.

Iam64 Thu 21-Jul-22 08:26:03

Teacheranne, friends did the same, combined both names to make a new, shared family name

Teacheranne Wed 20-Jul-22 23:51:34

My friends daughter made up a combined name when she got married, I think it is lovely. She was Piper and her wife was Anderson so they now have the married name Piperson. Very sadly both her parents, very old friends of mine and greatly missed, died within four months of each other just before their wedding so the new name is a fitting tribute to her family name.

Teacheranne Wed 20-Jul-22 23:44:13

StarDreamer

That is interesting.

So if a woman who has married and changed her surname needs to get Letters of Administration regarding the estate of her intestate father, does that produce a problem?

No, I have a different surname to my mother and there has been no problem with using Power of Attorney when she was alive or for Probate after her death. I don’t anticipate any problems when we get Probate and distribute the inheritance.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 21:42:59

When the ex and I considered marriage, we thought we may combine our names into one.
Mr. and Mrs. Bland. grin

MawtheMerrier Wed 20-Jul-22 21:42:47

Floradora9

Many lady doctors still use their own name for work purposes.

As do professionals in many many other fields from the Arts to Politics to Business to Medicine to Sport!

Callistemon21 Wed 20-Jul-22 21:32:47

Kalu

Upon marriage. I took DH’s name. He was perfectly aware my decision did not give him ownership of me. As if!?

?
Certainly not!

Some colleagues were known by their maiden names professionally but by their married surnames in private lives.

I didn't mind taking DH's surname when we married as I wasn't keen on my maiden name but, having researched our family histories, I find it more interesting and like it better now. I wouldn't bother to change back now though.
Have researched the FH, I've also found out why my DF had such an unusual middle name - it was a surname which might otherwise have disappeared from the family.

Floradora9 Wed 20-Jul-22 21:17:52

Many lady doctors still use their own name for work purposes.

Iam64 Wed 20-Jul-22 18:32:04

I was married young in 1967, flowers in my hair. My mum suggested I keep my last name, she’d taken my father’s name in 1947 and regretted this was expected. She loved dad, so that wasn’t the issue. Despite the hippie peace flowers, I followed convention and took my first husband’s name. I regretted doing that almost immediately. Regretted the marriage soon after.
I left 11 years later, reverted to my original last name. I considered taking my mother’s ‘maiden’ name but decided I’d stay with my birth name. In divorce proceedings, my solicitor advised I formalise the name change with a change of name deed. Seemed daft to me but I did.
I married for a second time four years later. I chose not to take my husband’s name, he didn’t expect I would. Our children have both names, one name becomes a middle name as we didn’t hyphenate.

It’s a strangely British culture that has women disappearing from family trees when they give up their original family name

LauraNorderr Wed 20-Jul-22 17:06:53

I took my husband’s name when we married but for reasons of security I used my birth surname with my middle name for my professional life.
It has never caused any problems for me.

Franbern Wed 20-Jul-22 15:50:49

When I was about 7 years old, my parents changed their surname, as the one they had was german. My Dad, (and his older brother) both did this at the same time, selecting a name from around the middle of those four large London telephone directories East to say easy to spell. All done by Deed Poll.

I have that original deed poll, several photocopies of it which I have used over the years to be be able to show why my birth surname was different to the surname under which I married.

Never caused any problems.

So pleased that my husband had an unusual surname, my eldest daughter kept that and it is fascinating how many people from our past have managed to track us down through her because of this. When we divorced, nearly fifty years after our marriage, there was no way I was changing anything again.

eazybee Wed 20-Jul-22 15:29:39

Why should Stardreamer not ask a question about a topic which interests him?
There are many threads which cover subjects previously raised but also many new members who have not seen them.

basicallygrace12 Wed 20-Jul-22 15:28:50

I reverted to my maiden name several years after divorce (waited for kids to leave school so we shared same surname). Gradually I just changed everything over, finishing with driving licence and bank. This wasn't an issue until recently when I needed an enhanced DBS, not only did i had to produce birth/marriage/divorce paperwork but try and give a date I changed my surname back!

Georgesgran Wed 20-Jul-22 15:20:54

Both my DD’s have kept their maiden names and put a hyphen in with their husband’s surname going last. Their idea not mine.
A friend’s husband is called John, referred to as Big John as his own father is Old John. Big
John’s son is known as Little John (although in height he dwarfs his father) and Little John’s son is Baby John!! I’ve got to say I think it’s daft - as Little John and his family are now living with his parents, there are 3 John D………s under the same roof.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 15:14:20

Smileless2012

Where is it MissA? Haven't seen that thread and wouldn't mind a virtual cruise.

You are welcome to join.

We started with a few days in Mainz, then got on our cruise ship and departed, stopping at various places on the way, and thus far have also included three overland side trips too.

Quite a way to go still.

LINK > Virtual cruise from Mainz along the river Main

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 15:10:22

I'm glad I've just the one name to contend with.
I don't want to imagine how the benefits system would take to anything complicated.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 15:09:18

Oh yes, so he has blush.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 15:04:41

stardreamer has put a link to it in the post where he mentions it, smiles.

Oopsadaisy1 Wed 20-Jul-22 15:03:43

As Maw has said (and it had slipped my mind) her State Pension is based on her National Insurance number and that doesn’t change no matter how many different names you call yourself.

As she has had several different employments it is her Personal Pensions that will require all of her paperwork.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 15:02:39

Where is it MissA? Haven't seen that thread and wouldn't mind a virtual cruise.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 15:02:17

Smileless2012

Oh that's too easy MissA, must be other onesmile.

(Cough cough!)
Yes, that's right.
wink

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 15:01:14

Aw thanks StarDreamersmile.