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Is this feasible?

(60 Posts)
argymargy Tue 07-Jan-25 07:41:00

“ Surely, legislation is in place to ensure retirees use private pensions when they leave work?”

No, of course not. Why would it be?

argymargy Tue 07-Jan-25 07:39:31

PIP is not means-tested. Final salary pensions often pay out higher rates if you delay taking them. If they have a substantial private pension then they probably have substantial savings to live off until they choose to take their private pension.

Having a private pension does not mean you don’t claim state pension. Getting state pension AND pension credit suggests they will be ineligible for the winter fuel payment. I respectfully suggest that your scenario is unlikely - in relation to the pension credit and the WFA.

Astitchintime Tue 07-Jan-25 07:22:46

Georgesgran

***However, to leave a private pension to get benefits is just immoral and in my opinion should be illegal too!!

Completely agree with you Georgesgran.

BlueBelle Tue 07-Jan-25 07:22:30

No it’s not fair and one reason why some of us ‘ just overs’ can’t get any help while others get loads

Astitchintime Tue 07-Jan-25 07:21:20

Bonnybanko

My my living off the state when there’s a private pension sitting around, get a life and enjoy it while you can otherwise that private pension will go to you’re next of kin when you pop your clogs which can happen at any time, share it with those less fortunate don’t be greedy or one of the needy.

"A pension from a defined benefit pot can usually only be paid to a dependant of the person who died, for example a husband, wife, civil partner or child under 23. It can sometimes be paid to someone else if the pension scheme’s rules allow it - but it will be taxed at up to 55% as an unauthorised payment."

Not so, Bonnybanko, the pension pot doesn't automatically go to the next of kin.

And yes, I do feel that paying into a scheme for decades and not drawing on it personally is simply bonkers.

I also feel that it is morally wrong to claim benefit when there is a private pension pot waiting to be sourced.

My question was "Is it feasible?' Does anyone know someone who has actively done this? Surely, legislation is in place to ensure retirees use private pensions when they leave work?

Georgesgran Tue 07-Jan-25 07:20:33

*However, to leave a private pension to get benefits is just immoral and in my opinion should be illegal too!!

Georgesgran Tue 07-Jan-25 07:15:56

Yes - if they want to leave the private pension to continue to get interest. It would be foolish not to take the 25% tax free lump sum and equally foolish not to investigate what would happen to it on death.

I know someone who worked for only 2 companies in their working life. He can more than manage on his DWP and one pension, so the other has been left to grow. All with the approval and advice of an IFA.

In my own case - one of DH’s pensions is from a final salary scheme and I receive 100% of that and it will pass to the DDs on my death - if there’s anything left.

Bonnybanko Tue 07-Jan-25 07:02:51

My my living off the state when there’s a private pension sitting around, get a life and enjoy it while you can otherwise that private pension will go to you’re next of kin when you pop your clogs which can happen at any time, share it with those less fortunate don’t be greedy or one of the needy.

Calendargirl Tue 07-Jan-25 06:51:31

So do you mean they will have been paying into the private scheme all these years, but then choose not to use the pension, in order to claim benefits?

Why pay into the scheme then?

Astitchintime Tue 07-Jan-25 06:47:55

For clarity, this is not about me or my OH.

I am curious about something.......is it feasible or even possible for someone to work for decades and have a substantial private pension scheme but NOT activate that scheme to pay out when they retire but then live on their state pension, claim PIP, claim pension credit, and also get the winter fuel allowance?

I have my opinion on this and I am interested to hear what others have to say.