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I do not understand middle class England that voted Tory, will they never learn, the Tories are for the wealthy/rich people only they could not care any less for the middle classes, you were not born with a silver spoon in your mouths, you do not have £millions, the middle class thought it`s the Tories they will hit the poor people as usual and we will be laughing along with them all the way to our bank accounts.

Well you reap what you sow and on your own heads be it! The she-devil Thatcher has her children in charge now and god help the poor, disabled, unemployed, pensioners, welfare etc etc, life will only get worse with those Hitlers in charge along with the "puppet Judas" aka Nick Clegg that the labour voters backed, he sold out his voters for a ministerial car, I have no sympathy with England`s voters for it is they and they alone that elected the coalition government, if any here voted Tory or Lib-dem then hell slap it into you for thinking "I`m alright jack and to hell you"

How rude.

Jaima, Can I deduce from your post that you think everybody on Gransnet is middle class and tory?

I think if you read some of the political (and other threads) you will find that that is anything but the truth. In fact there was a thread last week (which I cannot locate) where we were all filling in a survey on an outside link on our political attitudes (not party affiliation) and the vast majority of us were coming out as leftie libertarians. it is also clear from posts that Gransnet members and their families have/are experiencing all the problems of poverty, disability etc etc that you list.

Hating is a very easy thing to do and always strikes me as a very self-indulgent emotion The real test is what are you doing of a practical nature to right some of these problems?

Hang on Jaima. I'm a Labour voter and I didn't vote Lib-Dem. You can't generalise about us like that.

And do you really believe, jaima, that all tory voters were born with silver spoons in their mouths and are all of the 'I'm all right Jack' persuasion? That's a very narrow-minded view.

After the last war, when my grandfather died, my aunt and disabled granny were moved from a three bedroom council house to a two bedroom prefab. We all liked the prefab very much, with its immersion heater and modern fire (no range!) and fitted kitchen (including fridge). After my granny died, my aunt was moved into a first floor flat. I don't think she was required to move but when it was put to her that the original house was a family house with a garden, she and my granny moved quite willingly to a house with no upstairs. Ditto when she moved from the prefab. It doesn't seem to me unreasonable to offer the option. Many people who are owner-occupiers downsize once the family has left. We've come to conclusion that our house, once a three-generation home, is only really used to capacity these days at Christmas. And it is hard to justify the additional cost of everything, heat, light, cleaning for one week a year. I really don't want to move on but I have accepted the necessity. This may be the last family Christmas in this house. But I have friends who rent a big place for family gatherings and then happily return to their two bedroom flat or house. Forcing people to move is a different matter.