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The kiss of death?

(34 Posts)
Greatnan Fri 29-Jun-12 13:44:33

How long before Cameron expresses his complete confidence in Osborne?
The Paxman interview with Chloe Smith was toe-curling - a lamb thrown to the lion.

absentgrana Fri 29-Jun-12 13:52:49

Apart from failing to find an excuse for not appearing with him, her biggest mistake was trying to patronise Jeremy Newsnight. Gideon hadn't properly informed the rest of the Cabinet and other colleagues, let alone given this poor Chloe creature any specific line to follow. He is a thoroughly egregious person and a lousy Chancellor. (Who was the last one who was any good?)

Mamie Fri 29-Jun-12 13:56:33

I thought this was interesting in the Telegraph. I love the Groucho Marx quote.

whitewave Fri 29-Jun-12 16:20:51

I get the feeling that everything is falling apart - the hell in a handcart anyone want a lift?

Ariadne Fri 29-Jun-12 17:30:27

"Things fall apart, the centre will not hold.." Yeats

Annobel Fri 29-Jun-12 18:09:22

The rest of that quotation is pretty apposite to the present day. I think it goes:

'Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
The best lack all conviction
While the worst are full of passionate intensity.'

It's that phrase 'passionate intensity' that, more than any other makes me shudder.

Joan Sat 30-Jun-12 13:35:25

Stop the world I want to get off.

Politics - utterly dreadful and getting worse.

nightowl Sat 30-Jun-12 14:14:59

I felt very sad when my formerly idealistic son said to me 'mum, the country's f*****, the world's f*****, the only thing to do is to create a little space for yourself and try to get out of this life whatever you can.

I couldn't find an argument. Is this the world we are passing on to our children and grandchildren?

Annobel Sat 30-Jun-12 14:30:59

Plus ca change.....
as Voltaire's disillusioned Candide said, 'We must cultivate our own garden.'

Gally Sat 30-Jun-12 15:09:19

I agree with you all, but turn the clock back 70 odd years and wonder what our parents and grandparents thought of the world then - I think it was pretty f*** for them too? We aren't the first and we won't be the last....

nightowl Sat 30-Jun-12 16:57:54

Annobel That could explain a lot! My son is a philosopher and reads a lot of Voltaire. Maybe he is not as disillusioned as I thought smile

And Gally I'm sure you're right, maybe the current state of affairs will galvanise the young into action. After all, as I told my son, it's their world and their future, they must do what they can to bring about change.

goldengirl Sat 30-Jun-12 17:05:49

As long as it's non violent, please nightowl

nightowl Sat 30-Jun-12 17:40:22

Of course goldengirl! wink But they do have a right to be angry!

feetlebaum Sat 30-Jun-12 18:24:04

No more than any other generation, who love to blame everything on the generation before them!

crimson Sat 30-Jun-12 18:36:11

Is it Capitalism that has gone wrong, perhaps? I don't pretend to know anything about economics and stuff but can markets just keep on growing ad infinitum? And can everyone just keep living on credit?

Greatnan Sat 30-Jun-12 19:07:27

I don't think our parents expected much out of life. The young generation have grown up thinking everything would be theirs as of right and they are deeply disappointed.

AlieOxon Sat 30-Jun-12 20:00:25

I think Capitalism wasn't right to start with.....agree totally about growth....

Joan Sat 30-Jun-12 22:31:40

This is why I miss the 1960s. Workers' rights were increasing, pay up, hours down etc. Social injustices were being fixed - civil rights in America, homophobic laws being removed in the UK, deep injustices against Aborigines here in Australian being removed, White Australia gone, the Colour Bar no longer acceptable in the UK, Vatican2, sex finally invented grin......

Then it was as if the powers that be said Enough!

Things were never that good again.

True, I was never that young again, but it was more than just the decade of my youth. I can't put my finger on exactly when and how, it is early morning and my mind is fuzzy, but it all seemed to grind to a halt around 1970. I remember feeling a new Zeitgeist and being immensely sad. I was 25.

We never got the magic back.

crimson Sun 01-Jul-12 00:16:12

Maybe, although we seem to be in trouble economically, we don't really have things to fight for any more? A bit like a marriage that [this is what happened to mine and, so my doctor told me, seems to happen to a lot of other people as well] when you reach the point in your life where you've got most of what you set out to get, the marriage falls apart.

Greatnan Sun 01-Jul-12 00:56:20

'Man's reach must ever exceed his grasp'?
I thought the good, fair times had come back in 1997 - how wrong I was.
If only John Smith had lived, things might have been very different.

susiecb Sun 01-Jul-12 03:20:42

I try to hold onto something I was told years ago
'nothing matters very much and very little matters at all'.

POGS Tue 03-Jul-12 21:38:48

Personally I thought the Paxman interview was a waste of viewing time. What was the importance of knowing when she knew about the 3p tax on petrol not going ahead, he went on about it for ages. I agree she looked out of her depth but he certainly smelt blood on that occassion.

Osborne had been in parliament that afternonn answering questions. Does he not have an entitlement not to do a television programme as well? The media now are so use to reporting trivial matters they have lost sight of the bigger picture and it is so tiresome. What has happened to serious debate and questioning, it's the culture of crap reporting and inane interviewing.

Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr and Jeff Randle are quite possibly the only decent interviewers on T.V. at present. They would have given her a rough ride too but they would know when to stop and move on to trying to talk about the subject in hand.

Not only was Chloe Smith made to look stupid Paxman did'nt look much better.

Anagram Tue 03-Jul-12 21:49:49

He doesn't care, though!
I think the point about Osborne is that he was apparently hosting a Tory dinner to drum up support for his own bid to succeed Dave, and refused to put that off to be on Newsnight.

POGS Tue 03-Jul-12 22:03:44

I don't blame him. What is so special about Paxman anyway?

Who would cancel prior arrangements to satisfy Newsnight?


I am intrigued, where did you obtain the information he was drumming up support for his own bid to succeed Cameron? Not seen that anywhere.

nanaej Tue 03-Jul-12 22:28:41

I am not fond of Paxman's arrogant style and sometimes sneering attitude but he does pursue avoiders! I find some interviewers accept responses even if they are not answering the question.. very frustrating for viewers!

I think if you are the chancellor of the exchequer (or any other elected person!) you are in service to the electorate and that is where your priority should be not feathering your own bed. Naive of me I know but....

Sending a junior person was a bit cowardly but she should have been prepared either through her own research /knowledge or from being briefed! t is her job after all.

pogs are you a secret Tory party 'leaks' officer?? grin