definition of rape

Hunt - have you seen the thread about Mitt Romney? I suggested yesterday that the Republicans are, indeed, becoming laughable. However, the thought that the great American public could still elect them is quite frightening, especially to the poor, the sick, the old, and minority groups.

Alas and alack, if only he had done for his party. Lost a few votes maybe
Hope you are well, Hunt

It really is scary how so many seemingly sensible people can vote in such twerps. I had high hopes for Obama as at least he has a brain but I fear he's up against too many twerps.

Alas, not just twerps, but big business, which is more subtle, and racists.

Any nation that can elect George Bush TWICE '.....

Greatnan has is right, big business and of course the religious looney right wingers.

Radio 4 Woman's Hour 10am today : Rape Myths

Thanks, Grannylin, I am going to record it.

Apparently, the idiot man (can't remember his name) said he didn't mean to say "legitimate rape", he meant to say "forced rape". When is rape not forced one way or another?

Nanadogsbody George W. was elected once. The first time he became President, his father and his cohorts manipulated the count, taking advantage of the hanging chads among other things, and Al Gore just threw in the towel. Remember that it was first called in Florida – and we all know who was the Governor of Florida.

And the votes of servicemen, many of whom would be natural Democrats, were somehow received too late to be counted.
The whole Bush administration was rotten to the core and in the pay of big business - I was ashamed of Blair and his toadying.
I fear the present UK government also has too many links to bankers and businesses but corporate sponsorship had dropped off sharply - perhaps they have seen the writing on the wall? Murdoch was famous for switching his allegiance to whichever party he thought would be useful to him.

Just as worrying is his nutty notion that women who have been forcibly raped can somehow choose not to get pregnant. People will pick up dotty notions about mind over body and use them for whatever aims they choose these days.

absent - Todd Akin.

The guy is typical of his type, I'm surprised he didn't say 'she asked for it' or that old chesnut ' most women want to get raped'. Rape is rape, no is no - no matter how you are dressed, that you are snogging the face off someone - No is no. Mitt is popular due to his religion - although in the US religion and the State are separate, they actually mean a lot. JFK was the only Catholic to be elected, they have yet to elect anyone Jewish, or even a woman for that matter. Hilary Clinton has done really well but it will be some time before they have a woman President.

And then, we have George Galloway with his rant that non-consensual sex isn't rape.

Granted his first election 'victory' was dodgy at best and probably rigged, my point is still valid as he was re-elected for a second term. I'm only grateful that Sarah Palin seems to be out of the picture.

I think there have been enough women who have lived in war zones and have been raped and then subsequently become pregnant to disprove this ludicrous theory.

Why don't the type of men who pontificate on an issue that will never affect them just shut up!

www.independent.co.uk/.../no-angel-sex-abuse-case-man-jailed-court...

I remember this case vividly. The girl was from a poor background and I have no doubt the judge would not have made that comment about a middle class girl.

Lord Denning said that when a lady says 'No' she doesn't always mean 'No'. A typical ex-public school/Oxbridge misogynist - still too many of them in the judiciary.

It is not very long since the mention of rape in the House of Commons drew hoots of laughter and catcalls.

The police, I believe, are getting better with dealing both rape and domestic violence cases.

Apparently not Greatnan as fewer rapes are being reported; it is assumed that this drop is because women still don't believe that they will be believed. Several offices from the Sapphire unit have been revealed as falsifying documents to indicate that the CPS advised no further action.

That is so depressing, absent - every time I think the police are improving we get another case of 'death in custody', etc.

Yesterday's PM (5-6) was quite explicit in what constitutes rape and I wondered if any Mums giving their children tea might have had to deal with some potentially embarrassing questions?

Ah! BaNANA - but it might affect them as the accused rather than the victim. Lots of men, not sure if they are squeaky clean themselves, are liable to support the 'poor sexual ettiquete', 'misunderstanding', 'we were both drunk' excuses. They do not want legislation to be as clear cut as 'No means No'.

As to the Senator - I think he still believes the old chestnut from 50 years ago, (which fortunately I did not believe) - that you cannot get pregnant if you don't orgasam, as egg is only released by orgasm. His reasoning is that if a woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape, then it cannot have been rape because she obviously enjoyed it!

Wonder if he is still opposed to formal sex education?

Rape is the only crime where the victim is treated as the guilty party. How many women have been penalised and humiliated because they had a legally active sex prior to the rape but chose not to want to have sex with this particular man.

A friend of mine was raped but the police wouldn't touch it. She and a friend had been on a night out and met two men one of whom her friend knew. The men joined them and they spent the night out together. Later they went back to one man's flat to share pizza and wine. During this time one of the men put something in my friend's drink. She remembers taking the drink and the next thing she was on the sofa in another room with the man on top of her. The police said she didn't stand a chance of proving rape because she had willingly spent the night out with him, drunk and had gone back to the flat despite the fact that she had no intention of having sex with him.

I think even a nun in a habit could be accused of being provocative....think about it....she is tempting men to want to see her body by the act of hiding it and flaunting her virginity.

Remember the awful case in Austria where the father imprisoned his daughter in the cellar for years and repeatedly raped her and she had quite a few children, wonder what the mad Republicans made of that!