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'We are all in it together.....'

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Greatnan Mon 08-Oct-12 20:16:32

The pay of the CEO's of the top 100 UK companies has risen by 21% since 2008. Average wages have risen by 2.8%
Remuneration packages are deliberately kept opaque, with only 25% being composed of basic pay - the rest is wrapped up as 'incentives' or 'bonuses'.
Top tax rate down to 45% - benefits for all kinds of people to be cut. Nurses, teachers, policeman, armed forces to be made redundant.
There was even on right-winger on a programme on Sunday morning who suggested that people on benefits should be given food vouchers . Imagine somebody who has worked for 30 years and paid taxes, suddenly made redundant because of the antics of bankers. They are already feeling humiliated because they have to claim benefits for the first time. They spend hours and hours applying for jobs, usually not even getting a reply. There are lots of younger people looking for work. How cruel would it be to humiliate them even further by trying to control how they spend their benefits. Yes, of course there are a number of people who don't intend to work and play the system, but the answer is surely to put in place a better system for weeding them out, not to make the genuine claimants suffer.
I am tired of hearing about 'benefit scroungers' while the rich and powerful are still exploiting loop holes to reduce or even eliminate their tax bill. Have they no consciences?

whitewave Tue 09-Oct-12 19:04:21

I watched his speech today as I have not given him the time of day previously. Now I can see what all the fuss is about - his oratory is good, in a bumbling sort of way. But I was left with the feeling of a body with no substance

crimson Tue 09-Oct-12 19:08:07

He's very funny and very clever [and very dangerous].

crimson Tue 09-Oct-12 19:08:40

..especially if you happen to be called Dave...

whitewave Tue 09-Oct-12 19:09:59

He didn't perfom well as an MP though.

crimson Tue 09-Oct-12 19:13:46

I think the important thing these days is to do well as chair person of Have I Got News for You wink.

whitewave Tue 09-Oct-12 19:15:04

Blimey - we could have Damien Lewis for PM now there's a thought!

crimson Tue 09-Oct-12 19:22:37

..be still my beating heart...

Ana Tue 09-Oct-12 19:39:41

grin

nightowl Tue 09-Oct-12 19:44:23

Greatnan I agree that this is the time for the unions to come together now or give up forever. I have no hope that they will.
For what seems like years my colleagues and I have been trying to fight proposed changes to our terms and conditions, and to the service we provide. We have tried time and again to use our Union to fight in any way we could. The union's response: we have to give priority to staff who are losing their jobs, and then we will come back to your concerns. So then we were threatened with job losses, and thought at least the union would protect our rights. After many many meetings, I sat in a meeting three weeks ago with a very committed and well-meaning union official and expressed my utter exasperation at the fact that the union seemed to have been unable to progress any of our concerns over the last six, seven, eight years. She replied that the union has no power, the employers will do what they like, as all the legislation is in the employers' favour. Oh and by the way, we can't protect your jobs either. The scales fell from my eyes at last. My dad, a lifelong shop steward, is turning in his grave.

absentgrana Tue 09-Oct-12 20:02:32

At 78 rpm, I would guess, nightowl.

nightowl Tue 09-Oct-12 20:33:45

I should say so absent! Unfortunately he was cremated, but I was using poetic licence smile

crimson Tue 09-Oct-12 21:07:38

The legacy from the Thatcher years, I feel.

Greatnan Tue 09-Oct-12 21:34:26

I fear that once people reach senior positions in a union, they adopt the garb of other managers and spend their time in endless committee meetings. I am sure there are honourable exceptions, but the unionists who have become MPs have not been outstanding in parliament.