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Interesting comment on the Today prog this morning

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jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 13:04:46

Did anyone hear the remark Jonathan Sacks made on the programme this morning. It was at the end of thought for today. The presenter asked him what his thoughts were on what is going on in the middle east. He didn't know he was still on air.

whizz along to about 1 hr 49

Riverwalk Fri 16-Nov-12 13:26:04

I heard it.

He'd make a good politician - saying what he really thinks and when realising that he's on air smoothly slipping into talk of peace.

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 13:50:13

Yep! I think they should have let him continue. Could have been interesting.

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 13:53:03

They did rather "ambush" him. They have apologised to him. Telegraph

JessM Fri 16-Nov-12 13:55:35

oh - I was saying to DH that he (Sachs) has a wonderfully soothing voice and missed that moment! hmm Shifted to the short and diplomatic answer didn't he, instead of a long analysis of the region's troubles.

vampirequeen Fri 16-Nov-12 13:56:30

OMG that was brilliant....thank you for sharing it smile

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 16:20:34

Apparently he nearly caused an international incident by blaming it all on Iran.

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 16:22:30

Mind you, who's to know who is to blame. So sad it has all started up again. Those poor people. On both sides. sad

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 16:28:16

According to one BBC top executive "This is another cock up for BBC News – they are a law unto themselves on this one," said the source.

That's over egging it isn't it?

vampirequeen Fri 16-Nov-12 16:32:29

I don't know....who is to blame?

FlicketyB Fri 16-Nov-12 16:49:18

I heard the remark and understood it to mean that the current problems with Iran were the reason Israel had decided to attack the Gaza strip.

Presumably Israel is hoping that if it ratchets up the temperature enough now the American Presidential elections are over, Obama can be jockeyed into attacking Iran, which is what Israel wants.

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 16:51:39

I really don't think that's going to happen. Please God.

I think President Obama has had enough of war.

vampirequeen Fri 16-Nov-12 16:59:47

Oh I see ....thanks.

Fondasharing Fri 16-Nov-12 17:19:13

I have taken the liberty of enlarging the forum on what Jonathan Sacks said into the concerns we must all have about the situation in the Middle East.

My daughter's in-laws are Quakers and they lived in Ramallah for 5 years at the Quaker School there and witnessed the lives of many Palestinian people. They also worked with Israeli people who wish to end the conflict and are ashamed of how the Palestinians are being treated with regard to border controls, sanctions and total disregard for their own identity. They witnessed many tragedies and heard some terrible stories.

If the Israeli government would return the lands they took illegally and opened up communications, yes, even with Hamas, then the conflict would, at least, be arrested for the present and common sense could be restored.

Israel has become the aggressor........I understand the history of the Holocaust and the resolve of the Jewish people never to be so isolated and vulnerable ever again.....but sometimes I feel as though they are treating the Palestinian people in the way they were treated by the Germans, i.e. estranging them from mainstream, forcing them to live in "ghettos" and making them into the enemy, instead of neighbours, who whilst they do not share the same religion, are people who have lived in the Holy Land just as long as the Jews.

Let us hope that common sense is restored and that President Obama does not give his support and arms to Israel so that they can pursue their agenda.

Many people in Iran do not want a war, so let us hope they can have a voice one day and help their dictatorial leaders see sense as well.

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 17:37:49

Yes. I agree Israel has become the aggressor. Bullies.

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 17:39:56

I hope Palestine's bid to become a non-member observor state goes through at the UN.

merlotgran Fri 16-Nov-12 17:53:11

Every day our thoughts are with friends and my brother's in-laws who live in Ashkelon. They are right in the firing line sad

jO5 Fri 16-Nov-12 17:57:00

Nightmare.

Why can't both sides stop and talk.

petallus Fri 16-Nov-12 19:08:20

Good post Fondasharing. I agree.

johanna Fri 16-Nov-12 19:34:17

Since I am not an expert on the Middle East, and get my information from the media I would not like to pass comment. In the meantime I have dug out an old book of my father by the author David Fromkin.
The title is : A Peace To End All Peace. Subtitled :Creating The Modern Middle East 1914-1922.
This is what it says on the thingy page:

" After the war to end war" they seem to have been pretty successful in Paris
at making a " Peace to end Peace."

Archibald Wavell ( later Field Marshal Earl Wavell, an officer who served under Allenby in the Palestine campaign, commenting on the treaties bringing the First World War to en end.

The book was re published in 2009.

nanaej Fri 16-Nov-12 20:11:44

The timing of the murder of the Hammas leader by Israel is not accidental. There were peace talks going on that were making progress & there is a growing support for Palestine getting recognition. The Israeli government does not want to compromise.
If Israel can get the conflict active again it will detract from Palestine's bid to the UN and the talks stop.

merlotgran Sat 17-Nov-12 00:31:39

I'm relieved that my brother has just texted to say they are back safely from Ashkelon having attended a family wedding. It all kicked off the day after they got there. We've been very worried about them. SisIL must have hated leaving her family in such a dangerous situation.

absentgrana Sat 17-Nov-12 08:17:39

I think Jonathan Sachs was absurdly naif. He must have done enough broadcasting by now to assume that you are always on air/on camera until you leave the studio.

Sympathy to everyone with family and friends in Israel and/or Palestine. Whatever the political and military rights and wrongs, civilians as always, have to bear the brunt.

FlicketyB Sat 17-Nov-12 12:21:23

Did not the picture of the named BBC correspondant holding his baby son, killed by an Israeli rocket bring home the futile horror of it all?

Why can we, and by extension the jews and arabs, not see people as individuals who feel and suffer rather than groups hwo are to be anonimised and demonised. A Jewish and Palestinian family who have both lost a small child in a rocket attack have more to draw them together than drive them apart.

gracesmum Sat 17-Nov-12 12:30:00

I hadn't seen the picture flicketyB so googled it and should have known better. I agree absolutely with what you say in your final sentence too.