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Same sex marriage bill

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bluebell Tue 05-Feb-13 12:48:25

Just started watching the debate live - lively already!!

j08 Wed 06-Feb-13 16:55:18

And I would like to understand why he is giving this priority.

j08 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:05:55

There are two threads on this, aren't there. confused

This is what I put on the other thread. (In case anyone is interested!)

"My own view of homosexuality is that it is simply something where, somewhere along the line, something has gone wrong. I believe that nature gives us nothing for our enjoyment only. Food, sleep, sex, are all there for a reason. And with sex, it's to further the species. That obviously cannot happen within a gay relationship. But that doesn't make it "sinful" and it should not be villified.

I am for gay marriage. To deny it would be to attach blame where there is none to be attached. But I can see it must be very hard for some people to accept".

Just so as you know what I think.

bluebell Wed 06-Feb-13 17:07:03

I don't think Boris could say anything about marriage that I could could give a milligram of respect to - gay or hetero

Bermeir Wed 06-Feb-13 17:13:17

I'd like to make one thing clear: being against gay marriage does not (necessarily) equate to being homophobic.

I am an atheist so there is no religious angle from me, however, here are 3 reasons why, based on simple human biology, why gay marriage can never be the same as heterosexual marriage:

1, Consummation. A man and a woman who have not consummated their marriage can have it annulled (this applies to EVERY body regardless of religious belief). This is not the same as a celibate marriage being invalid legally as a marriage at all, it's just that one of the marriage partners has the right to end the marriage because of no sexual intercourse. But if both parties agree and stick to an agreement not to have sex, then they're still married. And sexual intercourse means just that: penis in vagina intercourse.

For true equality, there must be a consummation aspect to same-sex marriage. Or, consummation removed from current marriage legislation. Simple as that. So, all the talk of 'my marriage won't be affected' is nonsense. Heterosexual marriages will be affected.

2, Adultery. Adultery is specifically defined as sexual intercourse. In order for there to be equality, homosexual people will need this defined in law. Which, of course, cannot possibly be the same definition as it is for heterosexual people.

3, When a child is born to a married couple, the husband is automatically assumed to be the default other parent. Impossible with gay people.

So, you see, when it all comes down to it, all this talk of 'equality' as in things being the same one-size-fits-all marriage is utter rubbish.

And this has nothing to do with god, religion or homophobia AND everything to do with marriage law.

petallus Wed 06-Feb-13 17:13:24

So why do post menopausal women still want sex?

Or pregnant ones?

Bermeir Wed 06-Feb-13 17:20:35

I do hope the Lords treat this a lot more seriously; I really do. We need to grow up as a nation. Marriage is not only about love, it has a clear sexual aspect to it that is enshrined in law based upon heterosexuality. Something which cannot be applied to homosexuality. The undoing of the same sex marriage bill will be in the Lords where the dog's dinner nature of it will be revealed.

j08 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:21:21

I don't know. The sex urge in a woman is said to be strongest in her forties. Suppose that's a last ditch attempt by nature to get another child out of her. The pregnancy thing would be down to hormones all over the place, perhaps?

In later life it's just "leftovers". #grabwhatyoucanget

j08 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:24:39

Bermeir, they do do it you know. #lovefindsaway

Bags Wed 06-Feb-13 18:11:13

The husband in a hetero marriage is not automatically assumed to be the father when a baby appears. Ask a medic – no assumptions made! given human history, that would be daft.

Greatnan Wed 06-Feb-13 19:07:25

Laws are man made are can be changed.