Thatcher has died

I actually give Ed Millibrand credit for pitching his speech just right.

Don't you think it was ironic that at the same time as Maggie was supporting Lech Wałęsa and Solidarność mobilising the workers to action (including strikes) which ultimately overthrew the USSR controlled Polish government she was introducing anti-union laws and destroying the labour movement in the UK?

She didn't care about the Polish people. Their freedom from communism was a side effect of her policies not the focus. A non-communist Poland would weaken the USSR as it needed it's eastern European satellite states especially for it's defence policy just as we needed West Germany. The 'plan' and I use that term loosely because I fail to see how anyone could plan for WWIII was to fight in eastern and central Europe whilst negotiating a peace treaty meaning that all the death and destruction took place away from the USSR and USA.

gillybob I so loved your comment about key skill, sight for the tube drivers

ABSENT Definition of vitriolic : Bitterly scathing and caustic .....isn't that what most comments on this thread have been? Someone even said they weren't ashamed to say they cheered when they heard she was dead.

..of course, we'll need to get Danny Boyle to direct it and somehow edit out the egg throwing, but I think it could work.....

Eloe , I would suggest than none of the people you mentioned were as great in stature as

Margaret Hilda Thatcher

Pogs
Your spelling of Czechoslovakia is not bad at all.

Why do we have to show respect to dead person if we didn't show respect to that person when they were alive?

Sadly Margaret Thatcher is better respected and known for her legacy of being a major player in ending The Cold War on the Global Stage than by the people of this country. Some have no idea of this fact, I dare say some of those who rejoice in her death have no knowledge of this fact.

The part she has played on the Global Stage to end The Cold War, Kuwait and Sadam Hussain, the Falklands liberation are hardly being spoken of. She is highly respected in countries such as the US, Poland and Czechoslavakia [excuse spelling], they will not be dancing in the streets to celebrate her death. There is ofcourse those who hate her for her position on communism.

I think this is why she is being given a funeral of such stature. Heaven only knows what the world will make of it all if this country goes from being viewed as a friendly country during the olympics to a country of hate and desrespect for the dead .

Nonu First of all, I hadn't understood your rather oddly worded question on page 11 or realised that it was addressed to me, as my name wasn't clearly indicated. Your subsequent comment "You are probably too busy to answer - must have a million things on your plate" struck me as a rather sneering remark and a bit childish.

Anyway, it was actually me that asked the question - why such a funeral was not granted to Macmillan, Douglas-Home, Heath, Wilson, or Callaghan. Perhaps you'd like to answer it.

I'm coming round to the idea of the funeral but only because she wasn't as hated on the world stage as she was at home, and it might give us a bit of much needed positive publicity now that everyone has forgotten how well we did the Olympic Games .

VQ

No. I have read my post again and I think it reads perfectly well.

It was not right for anybody to have their lives destroyed, it is often forgotten, probably through lack of consideration or knowledge of other peoples lives, that the entire country suffered loss of employment and struggled to feed their families. You blame Margaret Thatcher, others blame the unions pre Thatchers era and during it.

It was not a slight to the 'collective voice' of the mining communities. I was pointing out that there was also a community which did not have a 'collective voice', the rest of the country. In other words if all those who lost jobs due to union issues got together they could put there point across and would be heard and recognised, which they are not.

Under any circumstance if you get media coverage your point will be heard and discussed. If you get no media coverage your plight goes unnoticed. Elimentary.

I reiterate. Those dark days did not belong to any one class, any one job nor any one geographical area.

Does that make sense now. To be honest I don't how to put my point over in any other way so that will have to do. I tried to answer your question as best I can.

Are you an Irish pirate?

An era of destruction of working people & their jobs, families & communities was started by this woman & is continued by those who are her spawn in government today. Good riddance, I wish her hateful legacy was gone too.

Actually Mice , I said pressures , I really meant commitments

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-we-were-wrong-to-call-mandela-a-terrorist-413684.html

POGS...are you saying that because the miners had a collective voice and others in more disjointed industries didn't it was OK for Maggie to destroy them.

Matgaret Thatcher did call the ANC terrorists, not Nelson Mandella but that is nit picking. Typical of the character of the man, Nelson Mandella reportedly said "Well I was good at making bombs".

Am I alone in reading that Nelson Mandella is reported as understanding Margret Thatcher was a mouth piece for saving his life from a sentance to death from the SA government????

Well Miceelf that is nice .

I'll say a prayer for you as well.

I know you think I talk rubbish most of the time Movedalot

No Mice I am no longer a sacristan, had to give up due to other pressures .
However, I am really pleased that you are delighted , quite makes my evening .

Agreed, riclorian.

Eloth , you are probably too busy to answer , must have a million things on your plate .
^ or ^ you haven"t an answer .

Nonu, I'm delighted that you are a sacristan.

Frankly if the church is not involved in politics (not Party politics) which impact on everyone's lives, then it is completely irrelevant.

Looking out for the poor, the weak, the hungry, the oppressed and those who grieve, is what being a Christian should be all about.