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whenim64 Fri 26-Jul-13 09:52:04

The Tories are back-peddling this morning, claiming they will be the party of the poor and dispossessed on a radio interview I heard earlier (was in a shop so don't know which station it was).

If I put myself in the shoes of those people who are desperate to reach a country that will tolerate them getting on their feet so they can support their families, I would do the same and more. I would be terrified, arriving from countries like Afghanistan, to be greeted with posters 'inviting' me to go back home. In many cases, what home? The one the Taliban stole from me? The one that prevented me bringing ID so I had to get here illegally? The one that treats many of its 'citizens' so inhumanely that the risk of being here illegally are insignificant in comparison with what they face there?

Nelliemoser Fri 26-Jul-13 09:19:10

AKA It makes no difference which group of people it is about, it still sounds very threatening.
As you rightly say. There are people who find this country is not for them, the streets are not lined with gold, and they may appreciate help to be repatriated.
But driving that van around the town is not going to make anyone feel comfortable or safe. That is supposing they can read English well enough to understand it.
How would you know you are not going to be thrown into prison and beaten. It possible happens a lot in some of the countries this group of people come from. It's another reason why they feel the need to leave.

I also suspect that most of this group in this country are employed and get paid cash in hand. You could still be under the minimum wage and possibly earn more in the black economy than you could in your home country.
This is a difficult issue, the immigration situation in the UK does need controlling, we are a very small island, but this sort of tactic will do no good at all.
But everyone should think about this!
What lengths would you go to to make better provision for your family?
You are living in great poverty in your home country with no chance of improving this as your country's economy is dead!

Aka Fri 26-Jul-13 07:12:05

But isn't that the point Nellie this is only about illegal immigrants not asylum seekers. Illegal immigrants are in hiding anyway. I don't see how deedaa's son's girlfriend could have had a national insurance number if she was illegal. More likely she did have a work permit which entitled her to a N.I. number but then over-stayed her time.
We have limited resources. I welcome asylum seekers and others seeking a better life. But this is aimed at those who have entered illegally and not applied to asylum. I agree the wording on the placards is somewhat abrupt but to say it's 'uncivilised' is a bit too much.
What I do think is praiseworthy is the help that is offered with travel documents, advice, etc. There are people who find this country is not for them, the streets are not lined with gold, and they may appreciate help to be repatriated.

j08 Thu 25-Jul-13 22:43:45

Good point nelliemoser. Very true.

Nelliemoser Thu 25-Jul-13 22:42:55

I think that is so scary its more likely to frighten people into going into hiding than come out to talk to the authorities. I do object to that .

Aka Thu 25-Jul-13 22:12:56

I'm really struggling with this Mishap. Is it the bit that says 'Go home or be arrested'?

Mishap Thu 25-Jul-13 21:57:33

Yes aka I do think that this approach is uncivilized and impolite.

annodomini Thu 25-Jul-13 21:55:28

That's sad, Deeda and you were brave and right to shelter her. smile

Deedaa Thu 25-Jul-13 21:42:29

I spent some time sheltering my son's Ukrainian girlfriend who was here illegally. She had a job and was paying tax and national insurance and claiming nothing from the state so I couldn't see she was that much of a problem. She went home when the authorities became too pressing, which meant that their relationship finally broke down.

j08 Thu 25-Jul-13 21:42:10

That's good Nonu.

j08 Thu 25-Jul-13 21:41:33

I guess you don't have to be an actual asylum seeker to be a would-be immigrant. Perhaps just wanting to get away from regimes with few opportunities?

I know we can't support everybody who wants to come here. But I don't think we should be putting stuff like that on our streets.

It's not British. And I mean that seriously.

Nonu Thu 25-Jul-13 21:41:06

I think there is no-one more polite than British Immigration, they always call folk Sir or Madam , which is more than can be said for many countries

Aka Thu 25-Jul-13 21:36:41

But there's a difference between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants is there not?

Aka Thu 25-Jul-13 21:35:49

Do you consider this approach to be uncivilised and impolite then Mishap? Not very British perhaps? hmm

Nonu Thu 25-Jul-13 21:35:43

Tell you what , going through immigration in the US of A bearing in mind there already has been an ESTA filled in, is a tough experience !!!!

j08 Thu 25-Jul-13 21:33:43

Many people are waiting for th eir applications to be processed. There are huge back-logs in some parts.

The billboards are clumsy and crude.

Mishap Thu 25-Jul-13 21:25:23

It sounds cut and dried, but many people come here to escape poverty and misery in their own countries. We do of course require immigration control but I would like to hope that we might enforce this in a civilized and good-mannered way whenever possible.

Aka Thu 25-Jul-13 21:22:55

I was thinking that perhaps there may be people out there who just want to go back home and didn't know how to go about it.

Ana Thu 25-Jul-13 21:16:48

Such as finding them in the first place, presumably...hmm

j08 Thu 25-Jul-13 21:15:05

There are better ways Nonu.

Aka Thu 25-Jul-13 21:14:54

Don't see what the fuss is about.

Nonu Thu 25-Jul-13 21:13:42

If they are here illegally ???

Mishap Thu 25-Jul-13 21:04:17

It is a strange way of going about things and seems a cruel way of conveying the message that there are immigration controls. Quite inhuman in its wording. Definitely don't like it.

Ella46 Thu 25-Jul-13 21:01:12

I saw something about this earlier today and I thought it was a joke!

shock Don't like it at all.

j08 Thu 25-Jul-13 20:57:52

this is nasty

Not a good way of handling things.