Terrorism - the new catch-all

John Profumo ---Who??

Bosom pal of John Profumo, Nonu remember him? Said in answer to a question in court about an official statement "Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?"

WHO ??

Mandy Rice Davis comes to mind

I heard on the news that the police found on Miranda"s laptop . material that warrents investigation .

Not Bush – although he did complain about how Saddam had "tried to kill my daddy" – but Rumsfeld, Cheyney and Wolfovitz (sp?), the Neo Cons creating the "New American Century".

But it was not an "arrest" was it.
Submariner was at sea continuously in the long run up to the invasion, during which they were aware of plans apparently. No reason to doubt him. But there you are. it is hearsay.

Some of the articles people linked to earlier in this thread seemed to explain the arrest quite well. Perhaps not everyone has read them?
I agree that Bush does seem, with hindsight, to have been looking for an excuse. I still doubt a submariner would have been given an advance tip off.

Yes it is hearsay boot but there were many other reasons to suppose that Bush was just looking for an excuse to invade Iraq and that 9/11 just helped to fuel the fire of a notion of "a war on terror". It did not appear to be anything to do with terror, then or now.
An arrest? Of a transit passenger? Can they do that?

Being told something by a submariner sounds like hearsay to me. Were subs involved in the Iraq war anyhow. Isn't the MOD always planning for contingencies? Iraq is/was a troubled place.
I'm not trying to justify the Iraq War.

Teresa May was interviewed on R4 at lunchtime admitted that the Home Office had been told by the police that the arrest might take place. She said that the Home Office refusal to do or say anything was because in this country there is no political control of the police so the Home Office wouldn't respond to such information anyway.

The interviewer never asked her the obvious question; In which case why did the police feel a need to inform the Home Office at all? I turned the radio off in disgust.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJDDSPYQgQc

If you go to You Tube, absent, there is footage of the first plane hitting the World Trade Centre.

I don't want to put the link on here.

Just for the record Iam64 you didn't watch images of the planes flying into the in towers. Only the second plane was filmed after the first had hit.

For the avoidance of doubt , my post of 14.39 , was a little humerous aside to the last paragraph of the post of margaretx .

Obviously fell on deaf ears !!

Oh yes the evidence of a Maltese shop owner put Al M away didn't it, as in he came into my shop six months last Tuesday.
9/11 used as excuse for Iraq war. Was told by retired submariner that he knew the date of the start of the Iraq war 12 months ahead at the start of a very long tour, and they were only out by a day.

Some police officers were certainly corrupt in the 1970's - my brother-in-law had a scrap metal yard and two CID sergeants would come round every month for their 'bung' It was made very clear that if they did not get it, his yard would be turned over so often that his business would be ruined.
I think I am more afraid of the US and British security forces than I am of terrorists. I have grave doubts about the Lockerbie bombing.

Bluebell - I found your final para scary, as I had to agree, it'd be C, a Guardian journalist. I say this with regret, as a retired public servant of 33 years, and someone whose father was in the police force after being a Marine in the 2nd war. 9/11 did change the world I believe. As Greatnan says, it convinced the Americans that terrorism was just that, and they stopped financing the IRA. On 9/11 I left the office, to drive to a visit, and put Radio 4 on the car radio. Initially thought I was listening to the afternoon play. It then slowly dawned on me that the BBC was reporting live news. I watched the tv later, with my daughters, then 14 and 15 as the image of the planes flying into the twin towers was re-played. I genuinely believed we were probably on the brink of a world war. As that fear diminished, the fear about what would happen to freedom began to emerge.

BB

No they were not. I think they are less awful now than they were in the 1970s. This is political though with the Home Sec and PM approving it.

They never really were like Dixon of Dock Green.

Hey Bluebell you don"t have to, I am not going anywhere soon , well I may take a holiday in September.
Chin up !!

A woman was harassed continually by the police because she broke off a relationship with a policeman. If anybody still thinks of the police as 'Dixon of Dock Green' types they are not reading the same news as me.

It would be really worrying if we ever felt that there were rational (even if wrong) things we couldn't say about our government or the US government for fear of being arrested. I hope I never feel I'll be allright so long as I say "good" things about either!

Must have locked the wrong sister up...