David Cameron as a sage old sear....

Nothing to do with cold feet, of course.

Hey ho. Big men ruling the world again!

To use thatB's favourite word, pathetic!

Still, could be just what Dave needed to get him out of trouble.

#politicsfirstlastandalways

Are you being ironic, j08 ?
It somewhat annoys me that the result of the Commons vote is being presented as a 'humiliation' for David Cameron.
I think it's actually very sensible to say, as the Govt did, we're pro military intervention, but this is very important, so let's have a vote.
The debate seems to have been a good one, with lots of powerful speeches. It went against the Coalition, but yes, we are a democracy, so rightly, DC is accepting the result. I see that as grown up behaviour, and not humiliating at all.
That, (whether as a result or not), the US Congress is now going to have a vote is, to my mind, incredibly heartening and positive.
Maybe the era of big men beating their hairy chests, and taking no account of public opinion, is coming to an end ?

Quite so BB. Whatever he did he would be vilified by the press/opposition - damned if he did, damned if he didn't and it would have been the same whoever was in Government. At least he did it democratically and accepted defeat with good grace. it was hardly a U-turn, unlike other cartoon like politicians.......

It just seems so odd.

First Obama is all guns blazing and a military attack by the weekend. Then Cameron and Hague pipe up, "count us in".

But then our gov says, "oh no you don't", so Obama says, "oh, perhaps I'll put it to my gov too".

Are they world leaders or school house prefects?

Makes Obama look very weak. Even compared to our Dave!

Well I'm very relieved. Look at the mess Blair got us in. How many young men pointlessly futilely dead and maimed? If the idiots had read ANY history of Afghanistan they would have realized that they were on a hiding to nothing. The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history(Hegel)(I think)

All the women who lost a husband, son or sweetheart , very sad !

hmmm

I wonder if the French will proceed without the Americans.

Yes Nonu . We wasted a lot on less needful wars. But that's hindsight.

V. True !

Stansgran Afghanistan was NATO and therefore slightly different from Iraq. Nevertheless, Donald Rumsfeld desperately wanted an Iraq link following 9/11 to give him the justification for invading Iraq. As there simply wasn't one, he had to go with Afghanistan because of the Taliban links with Al Qaeda if he was going to seek a military "solution" at all. He didn't have any desire to bomb Afghanistan back in the Stone Age because, he is reported as saying, it had already been bombed back into the Stone Age. And, of course, politicians these days know nothing of history and have no desire to learn.

You should become a politician bsent. You know such a lot!

sorry the 'a' was absent there