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Open letter to E Miliband

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thatbags Wed 09-Oct-13 12:35:32

Anne Marie Walters' letter of resignation from the Labour Party

soop Wed 09-Oct-13 12:53:33

Excellent! Would love to read the response.

Jendurham Wed 09-Oct-13 13:07:06

Read it and looked up some references. I think I probably left the Labour Party at the same time she joined. What I do not understand is why she has sent the letter now, and published it now, apart from to cause mischief.
The Ken Livingstone stuff she talks about happened in 2004, just after she joined. The problem about people being imprisoned for tweeting is happening now under this government.
Sharia courts have been held in this country for over thirty years. That does not mean I think they are right, but it's the timing of the letter, as I said before.
In fact if the government abolishes Human Rights in this country, there will be more Sharia courts.

Mishap Wed 09-Oct-13 13:08:38

Multiculturalism has indeed lost its way. Starting as a means of making sure that people were not stigmatised, it has moved on to leave us all powerless and afraid to challenge those aspects of cultures (now within our nation) that are wholly unacceptable to the majority of decent people.

We need to get away from the idea that expressing these concerns makes us racists or about to join a far right party.

Greatnan Wed 09-Oct-13 13:29:34

She says much of what I have been thinking for a long time. Fear of being labelled racist has prevented many agencies from investigating the forced marriage of many young Asian girls, who are sent back to their relatives for a 'holiday'.

whenim64 Wed 09-Oct-13 13:42:14

I would like to read a response to these questions from all the party leaders.

Jendurham Wed 09-Oct-13 13:42:39

But I do not see what it has to do with leaving the Labour Party, do you?

petallus Wed 09-Oct-13 14:03:02

Whilst I agree with much that is in the letter I am also uneasy about it.

The graphic descriptions I thought were an attempt to emotionally manipulate the reader. We have already discussed the issue of female genital mutilation (as we call it) and know that the issue is not a straightforward one easily dealt with in five minutes.

I strongly believe that if people from other cultures chose to live here they should have to abide by our laws and also conform to some extent to our cultural norms, but I don't think this will be achieved by the over-use of blunt instruments.

I wonder if AMW has another axe to grind besides the one she talks about.

thatbags Wed 09-Oct-13 14:09:49

petallus, your expression "as we call it" of female genital mutilation bothers me. Could you explain, please, why you use that expression of a three word phrase that is descriptive without going into the horrible details that AMW goes into in the letter?

I ask because your expression looks like cultural relativism to me and I'm shocked to think that you think interfering with a girls genitals for any but medical reasons could ever be justified in terms of real human rights.

Jendurham Wed 09-Oct-13 14:17:38

I agree with you Petallus, I think there is another axe to grind. That's why I queried the timing and content of the letter.
Do you think there will be a response, Soop?

thatbags Wed 09-Oct-13 14:38:04

Here is somebody's take on the resignation. (no, I haven't a clue who the writer is; came across a link to his blog on Twitter and thought it worth reading).

He seems to be saying more about Labour than about AMW, and in doing so seems to me to be corroborating her concerns as the reason why she has left.

thatbags Wed 09-Oct-13 14:40:25

The blog I linked to does mention that AMW is a secularist. I wouldn't call that an axe to grind as it works in favour of equal rights not against them. That also seems to confirm, for me, her stated reason for leaving the Labour Party since she thinks the LP is not working in favour of equal rights, or at least not enough.

Jendurham Wed 09-Oct-13 14:50:38

She forgets to say in her letter of resignation that last year she tried to get adopted as the candidate in Northampton and was rejected, and this year the same has happened in Brighton. Axe to grind?
Hope we do not see her springing up as a candidate for the Tory party as she also runs the local KONP in London.

thatbags Wed 09-Oct-13 14:52:17

The second link I gave does point out the fact about her PPC attempt, jend.

Sour grapes about something like that is not the same thing as having an axe to grind. At least, I don't think it is.

thatbags Wed 09-Oct-13 14:52:44

KONP?

thatbags Wed 09-Oct-13 14:54:03

Looked it up: Keep Our NHS Public.

Maybe she'll join the National Health Action Party.

Jendurham Wed 09-Oct-13 15:01:05

Do I want that? I am a member of both.
When she becomes disillusioned will she not just write nasty articles about them both?

Jendurham Wed 09-Oct-13 15:06:50

She's got a book out soon? Good enough reason to get in the news?

petallus Wed 09-Oct-13 15:13:35

Hello thatbags. I said 'as we call it' as an acknowledgement that cultures where this practice is commonplace have a different way of describing (and thinking about).

Of course, like you I think it's a scandalous mutilation.

petallus Wed 09-Oct-13 15:13:55

it.

Jendurham Wed 09-Oct-13 22:56:55

Thatbags, she obviously thought it a reason to leave and advertise her leaving in a very public way. Sour grapes or axes to grind often have the same results.

Joan Thu 10-Oct-13 06:21:24

I occasionally have problems with ALP (Australian Labour Party) policies, but feel it is better to fight them as a member, than as an outsider. For instance, our former PM Julia Gillard is against gay marriage, as is my local federal MP. I have told him I disagree with his stance: he took it in good spirit, but was of the belief I was in a minority in our federal seat, which has a lot of country folk in it.

No matter - I had my say, which means more as a party member.

Also, as a member I get more information about Labour and union matters, and have various ways of putting my own fillings in. And this week I voted for party leader, something new: we never had free plebiscites for the leadership before.

Better in than out imho

Joan Thu 10-Oct-13 06:23:46

PS
I agree with her on multiculturalism. I was all for it as a means of preventing discrimination, but not when it is used to hurt women, promote religiosity, and enable the worst aspects of islamism

thatbags Thu 10-Oct-13 07:02:25

Have you worked out what the axe is yet, jend? Please tell when you have.