Roma witch hunt

I know everyone tries to be politically correct where Roma/Gypsies/travellers are concerned; It's a real problem. The crime rate always shoots up wherever they are, they don't operate within our laws and yet expect to get handouts from the state, school, medical etc when they contribute nothing at all to our society.They are also scornful of our society, believe me [as one who knows] you would not want them to be camped anywhere near you.They will have to be assimilated into every country, and the only way this can happen is to move them on and not give any state handouts , however hard it sounds. Otherwise it will go on forever, and that's not fair to society nor fair to the children of these people who could have better and more productive lives.They cause a lot of harm to people [botched driveways, roofing etc] this is how they live, and pay for the 'big fat gypsy weddings' etc.They have also been found to keep mentally frail people as slaves [here in UK] to go out working on jobs for them then treat them worse than dogs.We will be weak with them at our peril, it has to stop.

Yes, I know what you mean Deserving. It's hard to think of anything else, isn't it.

Would like to see more on this thread,even from AB. but am unable to post on any thread as I would wish until GN is found,
Hope for family and friends.

Ab, Yes, feel corrected.

BAnanas - your question about why the Roma gypsies don't get appropriate help from the country they emanate from has been answered earlier I think. The Roma community is ostracised and excluded from societies, all over Europe is seems. The Roma community hasn't only settled in London, we have a growing community in the north west, and I'm sure that will be the same in all major towns and cities.

I have read about groups camping out in the communal gardens of the type of very expensive terraced Georgian London townhouses built around squares with gardens, usually surrounded by railings and yes the residents did have a battle to evict them and they also said that these gardens were littered with mattresses and covered in human waste.

I have just watched at BBC London report, usual footage of pavements being swilled down with disinfectant in the morning. It was stated there have been cases where councils have paid from them to go home but they return due to the impoverished conditions in Romania. The problem is they come without any money and pitch up in Hyde Park, or any green area such as the gardens specified above. I don't know how why these people should become London's responsibility. Why is it they don't they get the appropriate help from the country they emanate from surely they are their citizens. Apparently there is a full report about this on Inside Out, maybe just in the London area at 7.30. tonight.

Do camps – Roma, Travellers or bwhoever – suddenly appear in people's gardens? I've never heard of such a thing but am prepared to be corrected if that really is the case.

I still can't think of anyone saying it was "lucky" to live in a multicultural society, although I can recall various people discussing the benefits of doing so.

Not again.
I wont bother, only to say that if a camp appears in your garden, it will be months before it is removed.
None so blind as those who don't want to see.

I don't recall being told that I was "lucky" to have a multicultural society. Who was it who uttered such a mindless statement? What has the garden of No 10 got to do with this incident?

Hey there Deserving I DO know what you mean by No 10 .!!

Havent read much about this but saw the word McCann, isn't this the only child that has gone missing in the last few years?
We have been told how lucky we are to have a multicultural society, and what benefits it brings, sorry don't know enough to give a list,but for security reasons, and that alone, we will not have a camp in the garden of No10, (please tell me you know what I mean byNo10)

I had already read this.

As it happens the last time I came across a Roma/Traveller family whilst out for a walk, a child ran after me throwing stones and accusing me of having done something to their donkey. The parents looked on scowling.

I felt quite intimidated.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-grim-history-of-the-roma-is-no-fairy-tale-8906270.html

I'm not sure whether we are talking about Roma people or travellers.

My experience with travellers has not been reassuring. Some years ago, we had a large encampment in the woods near me and soon the surrounding area was filthy, with human excrement dotted about, dogs snarling and barking and hostility from the adults and children in the camp.

Crime rates go up when travellers move into the area as well, I'm afraid.

Of course the majority of travellers will be decent but I do think when a sub group of closely knit people, with first loyalty to each other, live in a larger community there is bound to be hostility and suspicion on both sides.

The travellers I came across certainly did not like, and were not eager to mix with, the community at large.

As for the child who was temporarily removed from the Roma family, this would only be racism if it occurred at a greater rate among Roma families than families in general.

Am I the only person on here who has lived very closely with Roma people ?
I lived in Bulgaria for 5 years and employed many Roma. My first experience of their different way of thinking was when I got them in to do some heavy work in the garden.
We had a big patio area with lots of plates on the walls, lighting, ornaments etc. when I went to look at how they were getting on all my 'stuff' on the patio had gone! Through a translator it was communicated that they thought I didn't want it as it was in my garden and not locked up in the house.
My next door neighbour had a terrible experience. He felt sorry for a Romefamily who were homeless. I had to phone him and tell him what was going on. The family would defficate in the garden within sight of us. They wouldn't use the kitchen, they would lite a fire in the garden to cook and heat up water. The two older girls brought back different men at all times of the day and night, you didn't have to be Einstien to work that one out.
And then there was the singing and dancing at all hours.
You would be horrified to see the amount of very very young pregnant girls. As soon as they start to menstruate it is normal that they will be pregnant.
I know this will offend some of you but children are a commodity to them.
The Bulgarian government make them go to school but as soon as they turn 12/13 they are taken out of school to work ( or pregnant if a girl)

There was no need to take the child away - it must have been very frightening and confusing for her. A DNA test could have been done without removing the child.

If offspring are to be removed from their parents because they don't look like them, what will they do with Prince Harry?

Apologies for being trivial. I am not really up to speed with what has happened. I heard about the child in Greece but had not heard about the one in Ireland. On the face of it the episode smacks of racism.

Dublin nothing like as multi ethic these days as cities in England. Was there last month. Many fairly recent migrants have left due to poor economic conditions there maybe.

Bananas - I agree with your comment about EU membership, the Human Rights Act applies in all EU members, yet racism is more overt , and socially acceptable/expected, in some member countries. Travellers in the British Isles don't get an easy deal. Their traditional way of life is simply no longer possible, yet the sense of history and community is so important to the various travelling communities. The influx of Roma gypsies to the Uk and other European countries will inevitably make demands on public services. This isn't a racist comment about the Roma community, it's simply stating a fact. I agree with others who have linked the recent publicity about Madeline McCann to the concern about blond haired, blue eyed children reported to the authorities.
Recent events inevitably also raise the old myths," my mother said, I never should, play with the gypsies in the wood." In times of austerity, it becomes easier to blame 'outsiders' for so many problems.

janea - I agree about not backing off for fear of being accused of racism ( see past discussions on FGM) but in this case, I believe thay went in heavy BECAUSE of racism

JessM, I'm very glad that the couple in Ireland have been vindicated as the DNA tests have now proved that they are the natural parents of the little girl. Possibly the justification for temporarily removing this child for these tests are because the Roma tend to be transient and possibly this couple didn't have the required documentation to prove their parentage. No I don't advocate removing children that don't match their "parents colouring", I'm well aware of how different my brother and I looked as children, he inherited my foreign grandfather's swarthy colouring and I was much fairer and blue eyed, we didn't look related and I am sure this is common particularly when there is a racial mix in families.

Whilst watching a programme about Madeline McCann I was staggered by the number of children who have simply gone missing and I think if I had lost my child in this way, I would want no stone left unturned in trying to recover my son/daughter. As previously stated it is the belief of Ben Needham's mother that he was taken by gypsies, and it was well known at the time that the Greek police did not thoroughly investigate that theory as they found the Roma to be an intimidating presence. However, I'm not trying to imply that they steal children per se.

I am well aware of how the Romas have been victimised over centuries by both the far right in eastern Europ, particularly by the Nazis in Germany who tried to eliminate them along with the Jews and by communist Russia under Stalin. The Slavs continue to treat them as some sub species, but then that shouldn't surprise to us given the reception some of our black footballers get in former Russian satellite states, their racism is simply staggering. I think the EU should demand why so many of those in Eastern Europe do nothing to assimilate the Roma people within their own countries, whilst simultaneously trying to foist them on Western Europe where, they have at times, behaved in a way that is odds with their host countries.

I'm not sure I would agree that Ireland isn't used to seeing darker skinned people, in rural areas possibly, but Dublin in particular where this family are living is awash with all races, it certainly was when I was there a couple of years ago.

POGS - the choice was not between ignoring the report and taking the child away - that's ridiculous. The idea that a white middle class family in this country (or Ireland) would have a child taken away pending tests because of a phone call about lack of similarity beggars belief. That's why I said and still believe it's racist.

Well silly, silly me, I've been so busy reading the inquest details of yet another child, along with his mother, killed by ex-partner (where the police knew all about the danger she was in and CBA to protect them) that I quite forgot to read up on the latest research evidence that documents the number of white, fair-haired children abducted by Roma. FGS, you don't need a degree in child psychology to realise the impact on this child of being taken away from her parents and clearly for no good reason, else why was she returned once the DNA evidence proved the parents' story.

As you implied in your first paragraph bananas Roma have been victimised in many countries. And rounded up into concentration camps by the Nazis. It would be a problem wouldn't it if the authorities started removing all the children that were significantly darker or fairer than their parents. Imagine the chaos in multiracial UK. Perhaps, she said, being charitable, the irish are less used to seeing this genetic diversity around them.

Sorry I do not agree with OP.

This is not racism. I believe there was a report from a member of the public and this in turn had to followed up by the appropriate bodies.

bluebell, what would you have said had the child not been their daughter and the police ignored the member of public ?

I agree with PRINTMISS, the police etc., are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

BAnanas. You spoke honestly about the situation and I agree with you totally.