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I'm tempted by Nigel Farage !

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NanKate Fri 28-Feb-14 20:27:46

I have always voted Conservative but for the first time in my life I feel tempted to vote Ukip.

I like the way NF is not frightened to say things other politicians daren't say, such as our island has too many people in it and not enough Services e.g. NHS to deal with us all.

I am only against the NUMBER of people who come here, not who they are or where they have come from.

I live in a town that has a great grammar school that gives opportunities to children from all backgrounds. Long may it continue.

We are so PC now in the UK I daren't voice some of my other thoughts in case I am quite unfairly accused of being against this or that group.

I find it a sad that the UK is no longer the country I remember from my childhood.

Ana Fri 28-Feb-14 20:33:30

Brave post, NanKate! smile

rosesarered Fri 28-Feb-14 20:33:54

Just because things are not now as they were of yore, does not mean that we want UKIP in charge of anything. Yes, what NF says IS tempting to people[that's the secret of his success] just as Hitler's speeches were tempting to voters in the 20's and 30's.Or Moseley here in Britain.I do hope that people won't let UKIP in, little by little through the back door.

Soutra Fri 28-Feb-14 20:42:30

I agree rosesarered the "softly softly" insidious agenda of extremism is sometimes missed until it is too late. NF's pronouncements about being halfeay home pn the zrain is the sort of arrant inflammatory tosh I can do without. I know what I might be tempted to do!

merlotgran Fri 28-Feb-14 20:44:14

confused

Tegan Fri 28-Feb-14 20:57:58

My ex said that at least UKIP were honest about what they thought and I had to agree with him about that [he is a long time Labour voter and always will be]. However, just because they say what they think it doesn't make what they think is right. Or just. Or stops it being racist or inflammatory.

Penstemmon Fri 28-Feb-14 21:24:07

Go and see the Book Thief.

Does NF have any policies on Education, Health, Climate, Middle East, Childcare, Fuel & Energy, Communications, Pensions, Women, Rural Affairs etc etc?
There is a lot more to government than just the narrow policy platform he is known for. We do not hear about much else. I am sure it is on a website somewhere but tbh as I am not a fan of his European policy I am not looking!

Everyone says we must learn from history ..history tells me that in times of economic down turn a country can be drawn to nationalistic & extreme policies which lead a country into war that it can ill afford.

Mishap Fri 28-Feb-14 22:27:03

I don't think they have ay policies that I have spotted.

Don't get tempted NanKate till you have quizzed them in minute detail to see if you can find the vestiges of a proper policy on any subject at all that might hold water in the real world.

They are one-trick ponies - that is no basis for government.

Change is always scary and our new multi-cultural society causes fear in some people - UKIP are simply playing on these fears in order to achieve power - and as we know, power corrupts. The world has changed and being sad that the country is not that of our childhoods gets us nowhere.

durhamjen Fri 28-Feb-14 22:27:24

There are two conferences on at the moment, Ukip and the Green Party. It was annoying on the BBC news that Ukip got much more coverage than the Green Party. Natalie Bennett was shown standing up to give her speech and that was it. Hope the Green Party complains.

durhamjen Fri 28-Feb-14 22:30:26

In my childhood there were lots of immigrants.
However, no central heating, outdoor toilets, no cars, no clean air in the cities.
I do not want that back, although I would not mind having the NHS of my childhood.

Eloethan Fri 28-Feb-14 22:41:36

I am not, and have never been, tempted by the Conservative party and am even less tempted by UKIP.

Penstemmon Fri 28-Feb-14 22:43:02

It is easy to look back and think things were 'better' in the good old days when more kids died in childhood, pea-soupers were common, cancer was certain early death etc etc!

Of course things change otherwise we would still be in caves! Not everything is perfect and we will sometimes 'miss' things from the past but we are a country made up of immigrants from Normans, Vikings, Romans et al onwards. But perhaps I would say that as my dad was an immigrant!

Riverwalk Fri 28-Feb-14 22:55:00

UKIP's campaign director is Neil Hamilton ..... says it all.

durhamjen Fri 28-Feb-14 22:55:20

Nobody realises my son's partner is an immigrant, Danish, until she tells them. Then they are usually quite taken aback as her English is perfect, along with the accent. She could never be taken for a Geordie, though.
My other son's wife is Spanish. Both teachers, both taking other people's jobs.
Should Ukip send them back home, NanKate?
They both took degrees here and stayed.

Actually, NanKate, please vote Ukip. One less Tory vote.

durhamjen Fri 28-Feb-14 22:56:40

Riverwalk, read in the paper that the Tory secret weapon is John Major!

absent Sat 01-Mar-14 03:23:40

Was it Nigel Farage – it was certainly a UKIP panjandrum – who decried women in politics and suggested that they should spend more time cleaning behind the fridge? I think every women in the country should spurn such an archaic viewpoint and UKIP.

NanKate Sat 01-Mar-14 07:34:55

Thanks for all your comments which I have read carefully and will consider before the next election.

To set the record straight the last thing that I am is racist. I taught a multi cultural group in adult education and loved it. It is only the number of immigrants that worry me.

I think that I am a bit naive where politics is concerned.

Because so many women fought hard so I could vote I will continue in my quest to find a party that suits me.

thatbags Sat 01-Mar-14 07:44:32

I think UKIP and the Greens serve a useful purpose as illustrating end points of the political spectrum.

dollie Sat 01-Mar-14 08:00:03

Farage does talk sense but is it all hot air before the elections? Too many times we've been told by certain mps what they will do and they never carry the promises out..!!! They are all as bad as each other! angry

mollie65 Sat 01-Mar-14 08:10:46

what Farage does is highlight for many people what concerns them and which the mainstream parties studiously avoid even though it does concern so many people. for that UKIP serves a useful political purpose.

sunseeker Sat 01-Mar-14 09:50:43

I have always considered UKIP to be National Front lite. Farage takes an atom of truth and spins a whole web of deceit around it. Yes there are a lot of people coming to this country - but the vast majority come here to work and make a contribution to our society, like durhamjens DILs. Newspapers like to headline the number coming just to take advantage of our benefits system but that is only a minority (and I say this as a DM reader shock).

There may be a case for vetting immigrants (like Australia and New Zealand do) but that vetting procedure will have to be very well thought out and conducted.

I don't give allegiance to any political party, but come election time I question the candidates not only on the policies of the party but also what that candidate is going to do for the local area. My current MP is a Tory and in my dealings with him he has always been helpful and accessible.

Mishap Sat 01-Mar-14 10:45:38

NanKate - I wish you lots of luck in finding a party to suit you - I have never succeeded - but I m not a "joiner"! Slavish allegiance to one party seems a bit mindless to me - how can you possibly agree with everything they propound? It is sometimes amusing to see party members trying to pretend that they do.

penguinpaperback Sat 01-Mar-14 12:48:40

Yes that's very true Mishap. Floating voters, hopefully, keep all parties on their toes.

NanKate Sat 01-Mar-14 15:17:54

Yes I am definitely a floating voter, with NF fading into the distance quickly after all I have read about him above. I think I have been taken in by his outgoing demeanour.

granjura Sat 01-Mar-14 15:38:00

Made me jump NanKate - NF- National Front...
Nigel Farage is not QUITE that bad ... but I am glad you've changed your mind. Sadly, too many will be taken in by his jovial face and stupid jokes.