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I'm tempted by Nigel Farage !

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NanKate Fri 28-Feb-14 20:27:46

I have always voted Conservative but for the first time in my life I feel tempted to vote Ukip.

I like the way NF is not frightened to say things other politicians daren't say, such as our island has too many people in it and not enough Services e.g. NHS to deal with us all.

I am only against the NUMBER of people who come here, not who they are or where they have come from.

I live in a town that has a great grammar school that gives opportunities to children from all backgrounds. Long may it continue.

We are so PC now in the UK I daren't voice some of my other thoughts in case I am quite unfairly accused of being against this or that group.

I find it a sad that the UK is no longer the country I remember from my childhood.

gillybob Thu 29-May-14 16:26:32

Should have added that Stansgran makes a very good point when she says "make it marginal". It would give our VERY ruling Labour Council a kick up the backside !

HollyDaze Thu 29-May-14 16:28:51

Hollydaze, Hartlepool is Teesside, not Tyneside. But as you do not come from the area, I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.

Oh dear - I was making referring to gillybob's reference to a monkey getting in and what happened to a monkey that got into Hartlepool when they thought he was a .......... oh, never mind

(note to self: do not attempt humour sad )

HollyDaze Thu 29-May-14 16:31:25

What happened to my English in that last post hmm

gillybob Thu 29-May-14 16:32:40

I got that Hollydaze grin

Here on South Tyneside we do not hang our monkeys, we vote for them in the local elections !

HollyDaze Thu 29-May-14 16:34:39

I'm glad you got it gillybob - it was only said to try and lighten the tension smile

I don't think it's just Tyneside - there's a fair few that made it into Westminster over the years grin

durhamjen Thu 29-May-14 16:36:08

Gillybob, that's why I thought it was safe to vote Green in the EU elections. It would give Labour a jolt. However, we got an extra Labour MEP and got rid of the Tory and Libdem.
So how you vote in the EU elections is not at all simplistic. Nobody has yet explained how the rules work. Unless I've missed it, in which case certain people on here will delight in telling me so.

janeainsworth Thu 29-May-14 17:20:41

jen This link explains the allocation of seats 'on a proportional basis from party lists'. There are further links giving detailed European election results for each council areawithin the north-east.
www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse-display.shtml?p_ID=29691&p_subjectCategory=624

Personally I think it would be more representative to have our area split into 3, with one representative each, than to have 3 members representing the whole area.
I agree with you it is as much about those who didn't vote as about those who did. I wonder how many of the 60% who either couldn't be bothered, or stayed away as a deliberate protest, are now reflecting on what we have been saddled with.

I have heard the requests not to descend into UKIP bashing, but my concern is deeper than that. I think the rise of the far right in Europe, of which UKIP is a part, is the most worrying political development for decades.

annodomini Thu 29-May-14 18:14:40

I really dislike the party list system. It removes the principle of individual accountability and how many constituents know who their MEPs are? I am a political animal and I know the names of only two in our region - one of whom has now lost his seat. Mind you, I doubt if a majority of people know the name or even the party of their MP.

Ana Thu 29-May-14 18:28:26

UKIP-bashing doesn't solve anything though, does it Jane? I doubt whether many Gransnetters will seriously be considering voting for them at the next general election.

I take your point about the rise of the far right in Europe, but surely what's needed is more balance, not just a 'knee-jerk shout-fest, as Hollydaze so eloquently put it! It will be interesting to see how the two major political parties in the UK deal with the apparent dissatisfaction of the population with their government and policies/proposed policies.

Mamie Thu 29-May-14 18:42:08

I know who my MEP is, Marine le Pen. sad
I agree Jane, the rise of the far right is very worrying.
I don't always agree with Suzanne Moore, but I thought this was quite good.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/28/twelve-ways-to-fix-politics-suzanne-moore
The thing is, everybody complains about politics and politicians, but how many get involved at grassroots level to make it better?

durhamjen Thu 29-May-14 19:17:33

I find I am agreeing with Suzanne Moore more and more often these days. She writes some good stuff. A lot better than Simon Jenkins in the same paper. The good thing about having Marine le Pen is that you will not see her much. Mind, I don't know what ours look like in the first place, so would not know if I passed one in the street. And I speak as someone who used to get involved at grass roots level until we left York five years ago.

If the North East was split into 3, Jane, who would have the Ukipper? I don't want him. It still does not say how they decide on which of the three for each party gets chosen and how they split the number of votes in the system. When the government was talking about changing the constituency boundaries there was going to be one constituency running from Haltwhistle down to Barnard Castle. Can't imagine anyone there will see an MEP.

JessM Thu 29-May-14 21:00:41

ana I think you had better either brace yourself or learn to avoid political discussion for the next 11.5 months.
An awful lot of grass roots anti-UKIP stuff is circulating on social media including younger people that are having their political eyes opened for the first time. They have grown up in a time when politicians did not make openly racist, homophobic and misogynistic statements in public and they are shocked to the core that people are voting for those politicians. It is going to be an election like no other - and one in which social media (like GN) are going to play a significant part.

Ana Thu 29-May-14 21:29:27

Fine - bring it on! Just seems a bit of a waste of time when UKIP is obviously NOT going to win the election!

annodomini Thu 29-May-14 21:33:44

jen, I can only speak for the party of which I used to be an activist. A list of potential candidates is chosen after assessment by a panel of leading activists. These are put in order of preference by the Regional Committee and when the election votes are all in, if the party has sufficient votes to have one or more MEPs, the one at the top of the list (sometimes a sitting MEP) will be selected and any others in order of preference.

janeainsworth Thu 29-May-14 21:51:17

jen I have 'done the math' and anyone who isn't interested in the politics of the North-east, look away now.
UKIP came first in the following council areas, with their proportion of votes cast in brackets:
Stockton (33%)
Redcar and Cleveland (36%)
Middlesbrough (36.6%)
Hartlepool (39%)
Darlington (30.6%)

They came second in all the remaining areas:
Sunderland (30%)
South Tyneside (30.8%)
Northumberland (27.3%)
North Tyneside (26.3%)
Newcastle (23.4%)
Gateshead (27.3%)
Durham (28.1%)

I think it shows a clear difference between the north and south of the area and perhaps explains why John Prescott's idea of a Northern Assembly got a less than lukewarm response. There is no sense of cohesion between the north and south and that's why I think we should have our own representatives.

janeainsworth Thu 29-May-14 21:53:59

Ana those proportions of the vote are quite sufficient to win seats in a general election.

Ana Thu 29-May-14 22:03:28

Seats, perhaps - not an overall majority!

janeainsworth Thu 29-May-14 22:12:10

No, but enough to hold the balance of power in a hung parliament.

HollyDaze Thu 29-May-14 22:16:05

^ I think the rise of the far right in Europe, of which UKIP is a part,^

Yet the chap from YouGov, on BBC news, described UKIP as centre-left of the right confused

HollyDaze Thu 29-May-14 22:18:26

I agree Jane, the rise of the far right is very worrying.

It would be more beneficial to ask why the far right is now popular - then see what can be done about it in a positive way rather than deriding those who voted for them (I'm not saying you are guilty of that, it is a suggestion in general).

HollyDaze Thu 29-May-14 22:21:58

An awful lot of grass roots anti-UKIP stuff is circulating on social media including younger people that are having their political eyes opened for the first time. They have grown up in a time when politicians did not make openly racist, homophobic and misogynistic statements in public and they are shocked to the core that people are voting for those politicians.

Yet no matter how many times I make posts and give links showing that that behaviour is not peculiar to UKIP members, it seems to go unnoticed ...

JessM Thu 29-May-14 22:27:36

Yes UKIP holding the balance of power is a gruesome thought.

Ana Thu 29-May-14 22:33:59

Well, if it's that gruesome, perhaps some of the many Gransnetters who have become disillusioned with their previous parties of choice should start their own party. There's no point frantically decrying UKIP without offering a feasible alternative.

HollyDaze Thu 29-May-14 22:38:43

Good post Ana oh to be a few years younger!

merlotgran Thu 29-May-14 22:55:32

QuestionTime has got off to a hilarious start. Sexist comments from a footballer playing straight into UKIP's hands. Boos from the audience for his crass remark. Ha Ha.

UKIP bashing is so commonplace they don't even bother to find someone articulate enough to put his point across.....I don't even know what his point was.