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Fat, sugar and salt - do you agree?

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gangy5 Thu 13-Mar-14 16:43:39

Do you agree that the over consumption of the demon 3 by our children and grandchildren is likely to damage their health?

I would like to see choices for mums made a lot easier when shopping for food. They can't and don’t want to spend all day in the supermarket checking labels. The governments of past years have advised manufacturers as to what they would like to see done in limiting these additions but have left them to ‘self regulate’ -- end result - nothing much happens!

Ready meals and manufactured foods are affecting the health of the nation. This problem will not be sorted unless the manufacturers are forced to follow strict guidelines. It’s the only way that a difference can be made.

If you agree - please look at my e petition and sign it. If I can get 100,000 signatures it will be debated in Parliament.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/62209

thatbags Fri 14-Mar-14 10:51:46

Beg your pardon about the drop in incidence, aka. My mistake. I've just read jane's post which seems to be suggesting that the incidence of heart disease has not gone down much if at all even though deaths apparently have. I wonder what people die of instead? CHD is still the main cause of death. At least that's what one of the sites I looked at said.

I have to admit to being sceptical of some of these statistics. The person who dealt with my grandfather'sd eath certificate said he'd died of heart failure. Well, yes, in the end, but he'd had emphysema for years. That's what really killed him.

gangy5 Fri 14-Mar-14 10:52:56

Yes, I agree mollie that cooking needs to be taught. Although it was supposed to be compulsory in schools from 2011 I don't see much indepth teaching happening with my grandchildren. It appears that it's up to the school as to how much of it they cover. I am hoping to set up a cookery club for young Mums in my area - they are the one's I feel that need the help.

We are rather naive to think that people will make sensible choices. I would think that over 50% of the population don't care what they eat and what's in it. Yes, I agree, in an ideal world we would all be cooking from scratch if we want to know the content of what we eat. A good start would be to ban trans fats. I also don't think it would be difficult to restrict quantities of sugar and salt. Poor diet is putting huge costs and pressure on the NHS and why should the rest of us pick up the tab? - and janeainsworth please don't get onto labelling and manufacturers claims! That's 2 more subjects which tend to get my knickers in a twist.

ThanksJulie for the housekeeping - had no idea there was a special spot for e-petitions

thatbags Fri 14-Mar-14 11:02:06

I think people do care what they eat in the sense that they want to eat stuff that appeals to their evolved taste buds. Long ago sweetness and saltiness would have been hard to come by but both are useful (some salt in the diet is actually essential) so we evolved a liking for them which we still have. It's natural to want sweet and salty foods.

Similarly, foods high in fat were (and are) very good sources of energy so when food was not plentiful high fat foods were prized. Think eskimos.

So I don't think we should be judgmental or blaming, in a superior sort of way, about people's food choices.

As with many another human problem, education is the answer. It's not quick but it is effective.

Mamie Fri 14-Mar-14 11:08:34

Education is one answer Bags, but it would be good to see the food industry taking some responsibility too.
Gangy5, can I just gently say that I think it would be good to refer to Dads as well as Mums when talking about responsibility for shopping and cooking.

FlicketyB Fri 14-Mar-14 17:53:31

Fat, sugar and salt are not the 'demon 3'. They are all necessary for a balanced diet. Overconsumption of them is not good for you, but then people have died from drinking too much water.

What I would like to ban are all these constant 'health and food' reports which have medicalised what should be a normal and pleasant occupation of eating the food we require to function around the family table and has pushed us towards faddy and unhealthy diets eaten on an individual basis.

'Eat well, not too much and most of it plants' is a quite adequate rule and add, cooked from scratch. It is a nonsense to say that busy mums (why always mums?) do not have time to cook from scratch, there are hundreds of recipes on the web and elsewhere that provide recipes for food that can be cooked and served in the time it takes to fiddle around with ready meals that everyone chooses for themselves.

The best message is back to a family meal around the table with everyone eating the same food. Do not say young people today do not/cannot do that because there are plenty that do.

durhamjen Sat 15-Mar-14 01:19:00

Most responsible food companies have stopped using transfats because they know that people will read labels and not buy foods with them in. They have not been banned by law. It's a voluntary agreement.

HollyDaze Sat 15-Mar-14 10:36:53

Haven't the 'experts' recently done a u-turn on fats being a 'demon' and are now declaring that consumption of fats not only helps to prevent heart disease but also to lower cholesterol and that eating fat-reduced meals put people's health at risk by exposing them to statins

www.express.co.uk/news/health/438600/Eating-fat-is-good-for-you-Doctors-change-their-minds-after-40-years

The 'experts' do this kind of thing so often (recently over the passive smoking claims that can't be proven it now turns out, eating tons of fibre was the way to eternal life but then turned out to cause cancer, etc) that I no longer have faith in any advice they give. I'm convinced they are just carrying out mass human trials to see what effect X, Y or Z has on people.

Just be sensible and moderation in all things.

petallus Sat 15-Mar-14 10:57:59

Yesterday I made a Victoria sponge using 6 oz butter, 6 oz sugar, 6 oz flour and three eggs. The filling was 4 oz icing sugar and 3 oz butter.

So, is the cake healthy or not?

rosequartz Sat 15-Mar-14 11:03:35

I don't know, but we could test it for you petallus

janeainsworth Sat 15-Mar-14 11:33:21

Depends whether you eat it all at once Petallusgrin

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 15-Mar-14 12:35:48

Last week, as a direct result of the "less than 6 teaspoonfuls sugar a day" thread, I ate five Mr Kipling Fondant Fancies, straight off, one after the other. blush

janeainsworth Sat 15-Mar-14 14:04:48

Why did you stop there, Jingl ?
grin

janeainsworth Sat 15-Mar-14 14:05:20

Anyway you started that thread!

Galen Sat 15-Mar-14 14:51:46

The usual cause of death is the heart stopping beating.

gangy5 Sat 15-Mar-14 16:13:28

I decided to have an 'enforced' break from here so that I could then read about what you think etc. etc.

I understand that some of you think that diet isn't necessarily a big factor in affecting our health and I have to admit that I don't have enough of a scientific background to argue the case. I know in my heart that 'education, education, education' is the way to go. We all have intelligent discussions on here and are quite capable of taking sensible advice and taking on any good ideas as to the content of our diet. The problem is that much of the population is not as sensible as we are and are happy to carry on the way they are.

I think that my DH and myself are proof of the dangers of eating too much salt. We were both employed in the hospitality industry and therefore ate alot of 'cheffy' food. As time went on we added more and more salt to our food. The result is that we now both suffer from reduced kidney function and are on medication for this.

Fortunately most people don't eat excesses of ready meals. The problem is that all manufactured foods have excesses of certain things and many chemically generated additives that over the years may prove harmful to health.

I just wish that some these foods were of a better quality.

HollyDaze Sat 15-Mar-14 16:35:12

' ...and many chemically generated additives that over the years may prove harmful to health.'

I think that the chemicals added to convenience food will be responsible for an awful lot of ailments.

gangy5 Sat 15-Mar-14 16:48:26

I so agree with you HollyDaze I'm so glad to be cooking my food from fresh - at least I know what's in it.

janeainsworth Sat 15-Mar-14 18:56:49

Convenience food isn't always bad.
I used to buy these when I was working. They are quite expensive, but great for those nights when I just couldn't be bothered. There are no additives at all.
www.lookwhatwefound.co.uk
The food is sealed under pressure so it is sterile, and you don't even have to store them in the fridge. Tastes as good as home-made.

MargaretX Sat 15-Mar-14 20:36:28

Young mums don't have to spend time checking labels. They know what a potato, a carrot and an apple look like. They know what milk looks like as well as bread and butter. Children like normal foods if they have been brought up on them from the start.
Of course why not convenience foods but not everyday- surely.
In our family we all eat quite normal foods and cook them at home.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 15-Mar-14 21:36:32

Where are the dreadful chemicals in this? (the middle one)

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 15-Mar-14 21:38:34

You can get loads of perfectly good ready meals. We have them at least once a week. Just add some green veg.

SuzanneL60 Sat 15-Mar-14 21:48:03

i find it hard to put the risk factors solely at the door of food and cigarettes. I am 'fat' and get my 'fat' genes from my Mum. No eye problems.
My Dad was skinny and from a family who were all tall, slim and nearly blind , i.e. not allowed to drive or worse by 50. My brother is tall, slim and ...nearly blind. Just about still allowed to drive.
I married a man who came from a fat thin combo. His sisters are short and skinny as were their parents and grandparents.
All my three children are taller than me and their Dad and as a friend is fond of saying, she has seen more fat on a chip. Despite my attention to their diet - breakfast, lunchbox and evening meal, at every and I mean every opportunity they will eat junk, Friends all eat junk and as a result they got a taste for it. feeding their friend when they came round was nightmare that had to be planned for.
I cook with salt but we don't have it on the table.
We have puddings but generally ice-cream or yoghurts. Not big fruit eaters, though a cucumber or tomatoes won't last a day!

After watching the TV talking about how much sugar was in a can of beans etc, I was surprised. But with each generation there seems to be something else to worry about.
I currently have an issue with the way Midwives do not educate new mums to be in the importance of good nutrition. yes its well known in some circles that Folic acid should be taken well before the thought of trying for a baby. How can some mums feed themselves for 'two', nutrition rather than portion wise, if they are not earning enough to pay the bills as well. With those that do have enough it is not trendy to be eating full fat anything. With todays anti sun and low fat culture, how many babies are being born with less strong bones due to a mothers insufficiency? If that mother then goes on to breast feed compounding the problem. then finding themselves in a Jayden Wrays parents situation or worse ours. This is well documented, however ignored by doctors, social workers and their so called experts out to snatch babies for adoption. Now I could write a thesis on that subject.
Full fat milk is needed to help prevent rickets, how many children are on the green top before they go to school? Bony changes on an X-ray are difficult to see metabolically speaking until a child is 6 months old, so how can an expert categorically say nothing seen in a younger child!

Older women have to choose between the rising numbers getting cardiovascular disease at the expense of their bones leading to osteoporosis. Exercise is the only common positive link. But catch 22 scenario. not sure if I would rather have heart disease or osteoporosis.

I think we should be worried about what goes into processed foods, eat fresh at every opportunity, cut down on sugar salt and fat, but don't go crazy. Its about balance. I am not sure that reducing the RDA further is going to make that much difference.
Heart Disease, strokes and osteoporosis all cost the country millions. There is no simple fix. Diet exercise and reduce intake of alcohol and stopping smoking are all part of the puzzle.
I am very fond of telling people at work, when they finally 'own up' to smoking 20 cigarettes and drink 2 bottles of wine a week. I could be run over by a bus on my way home or my next biscuit may see me off.
We have a duty of care to educate our patients in the risks. I make sure my patients know why I am asking, why I am advising and what the benefits will be if only in the short term while they are receiving treatment. Almost exclusively my information is not needed. School children know smoking kills. However my patients often appreciate what I am saying. they are then minutely more likely to comply and continue to refrain than when too many of my colleagues berate them for even smoking or drinking in the first place. If I know that the nurse smokes or drinks, I generally have a word with them about pots and pans. Just because my trust has made a 'stand' on these two issues it doesn't mean we have to police them.
As for children, like mine, the odd 'wrong tea' is not going to do that much harm unless 'wrong teas' are the norm. then you have to think are these children spending all their time in front of a tv or video games or are they out exercising in the park. The latter is easier if you can trust them to be safe out of the house. this has an impact of what a childs body does with all the excess food rubbish. not a simple fix.
I am sure there will be people who disagree with my view point. give me 50 years and I will be right again, but not alive to know it.
Sorry for the waffle, can't be bothered to reference my meanderings.

gangy5 Sun 16-Mar-14 14:26:40

Relevant article in today's Observer :-

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/16/big-food-in-denial-about-harm-of-sugar#start-of-comments

HollyDaze Sun 16-Mar-14 21:48:50

Professor Adam Carey and also the Harvard School of Public Health would argue that calorie free water from the tap will make you gain weight, get various cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular disease. There's no end to it sad

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1261203/How-water-CAN-make-fat-chemicals-drink-trigger-weight-gain-fertility-problems.html

janeainsworth Mon 17-Mar-14 08:52:36

Thanks for the link Gangy