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Do we expect too much as a right in Great Britain?

(238 Posts)
rosequartz Fri 18-Apr-14 20:18:57

Relatives visiting from Australia are astonished at how much is provided by the State for the population of Great Britain.

In Wales we all receive free prescriptions (although our NHS in Wales apparently is in a bad state). Senior citizens are eligible to free prescriptions everywhere else, whatever their income. Now free school meals are proposed for all primary school children, and in some areas free breakfast clubs are provided for school children. There are many other benefits available which would astonish citizens of many other countries.

Does this make us a dependent society expecting more and more, or should those who can afford it be expected to pay for these services as is the norm in other countries, bearing in mind that our tax rate is lower than many other countries?

Should we start to become less dependent on the State and more self-reliant, at the same time as caring for those in need?

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 19:27:06

grin ninny can't do right for doing wrong!

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 19:24:14

It's when likeminded GNrs pile in defending each other that it gets silly.

mcem Wed 23-Apr-14 19:23:30

'Ganging up' would imply that a few people are in cahoots with a common purpose -a conspiracy theory , All that's happened is that some opinions are similar to each other but not similar to ninny's. End of bullying accusations? Real bullying is such an emotive issue that perhaps the word shouldn't be bandied about so readily.

ninny Wed 23-Apr-14 19:13:10

janeainsworth i don't think you were bullying me and i am not accusing you personally. perhaps bullying might have been the wrong word to use, i should have said ganging up on me by a small group of grans, the grans concerned might not agree with this but if you are on the receiving end that is what it feels like.

annsixty Wed 23-Apr-14 19:10:17

As a Telegraph reader should I take exception to that?

Ana Wed 23-Apr-14 18:54:27

Only a bit posher than the Daily Mail! shock
grin

Penstemmon Wed 23-Apr-14 18:51:51

DailyTelegraph shock

MiceElf Wed 23-Apr-14 18:50:56

Jane A grin

janeainsworth Wed 23-Apr-14 18:47:53

As I am the one accused of bullying, I would just like to reassure Ninny and everyone else that I am not left-wing, and I would not like the left-wing Grans to be unfairly accused on my behalf.
On the political compass I am very slightly left of centre and slightly libertarian.
And I read the Daily Telegraph.
blush

annodomini Wed 23-Apr-14 18:29:15

As I understood it, the post to which ninny took exception was the one in which durhamjen told us (and not only ninny) about the Belgian interim government in Britain and the Belgian town set up in the North East at the time. Now, this was news to me and I certainly wouldn't have put this interesting information down to mere pedantry. I'm grateful to durhamjen for extending my knowledge of this period in our history.

Penstemmon Wed 23-Apr-14 18:29:08

ninny you, along with others of us, are quite an assertive poster and happy to state your opinions without mincing your words. It seems out of character to your posting style that you feel bullied by replies made in a similar style to your own.

mcem Wed 23-Apr-14 18:24:03

For goodness sake - get a grip! There are real problems out there and these accusations of bullying are nonsense. Somewhere, possibly in S. Africa, there may be grandparents mourning the loss of 3 grandchildren whose mother seems to have snapped under the strain of caring for them. Keep a sense of proportion!

MiceElf Wed 23-Apr-14 18:18:46

That comment was in response to Ninny telling someone not to be pedantic and telling them that she didn't need a history lesson. Noting to do with the matter under discussion. If Ninny took exception to the riposte perhaps she shouldn't have made her initial comment. Stick to the matter under discussion and don't instruct other people about what they should or shouldn't do. That way the issues are debated and it doesn't get personal.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:08:27

dragon

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:07:34

That was a joke POGS. grin

POGS Wed 23-Apr-14 18:06:31

Oh dear. confused

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:05:40

I shall say shut up in a minute. So watch it. wink

Elegran Wed 23-Apr-14 18:02:22

There has been comment that Ninny may have snapped at Durhamjen because she had had enough of being lectured at. Perhaps Janeainsworth had had enough of Ninny taking posts personally which were meant to be general. If so, then it is six of one and half a dozen of the other.

I don't know all that was in their minds, but it seems to me that a sharp exchange of words has taken place, which should now be over and done with and no need for talk about bullying.

Good grief, does no-one remember what real bullying is like!

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 18:00:18

And don't call me by that stupid name. Please.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 17:58:06

Galen I did try to keep my comment fairly light hearted (whilst meaning what I said) You obviously did not understand that. hmm

Elegran Wed 23-Apr-14 17:56:01

Rubbish, Ninny, you have not been bullied on Gransnet. If you were bullied at school, then you know just what it is like to be pinned against a wall and your dinner money confiscated, or called filthy names and not allowed to join in with other children, or play with them.

None of that has happened on here. You have an opinion, which you have expressed. Others have different opinions, which they have expressed. I have read this thread over and I can see no bullying.

If you have found a post which seemed to you to be an attack on you, and not on your opinion, then report it to HQ. Every post has a link above it with "Report" on. They will look at the post, and the conversation which led up to it, and if they agree that it was a personal attack, they will contact the poster and tell them so. They are very fair, and do not take sides. Each post is judged on its own content and tone.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 23-Apr-14 17:55:34

I know exactly where ninny is coming from! It can sure has hell feel like bullying.

Ana Wed 23-Apr-14 17:52:27

Telling someone to 'shut up' may not amount to bullying, but it's not exactly just disagreeing with a particular viewpoint either. I'd be upset if I were ninny, too!

Penstemmon Wed 23-Apr-14 17:40:29

I often find myself holding a minority view with many people, including longstanding friends, disagreeing with me (not just on GN!) but that is not being bullied it is just holding a minority view and others arguing their side! I don't particularly like it but c'est la vie!

If however they belittled me because of my appearance, racial background, ability etc then that would be a) unkind and if it was persistent & deliberate it would be b) bullying.

I do not think anyone meant to bully you ninny just disagree with your view of things on this occasion.

moomin Wed 23-Apr-14 17:27:54

Good grief!