Max Clifford

Gosh jings, what a really neat solution! All we need is for 14 year olds to use some common sense and what? Adult criminal behaviour reduced?

I think the original post on this thread says a lot about how the media have also felt.

I don't think those girls were blameless. Not by a long chalk.

Quote: "When Clifford met a 15-year-old on holiday with her family in Spain, her parents encouraged her to pursue contact with him after being impressed by his name-dropping.

She said she was "blown away" when he told her she "could be the UK version" of Jodie Foster, and felt unable to say no when he asked her to take off her top and bra."

Really? Are we sure she just didn't want to see the pound signs fading away? And what kind of parents....

[Notso] I have just read your link . What a dreadful man. OK the crimes were committed a long time ago but he deserves the sentence that he has got and much more. I think that if the judge had been able he would have given him a much longer sentence.

penstemonn I agree. The blame lies with Cklifford. But at 14 she was old enough to use some commonsense. And I still think her parents have a lot to answer for.

Having just read through the judge's findings, I now feel more than slightly nauseated.

They should be more careful, anno. If he doesn't comply and is still assessed as too risky to release on parole, he'll have to wait. Perhaps they're mixing up the rules with non-violent/sexual offenders who are starting to get automatic release, but it doesn't apply to Max Clifford.

The news flash on 5 live this afternoon did say 8 years with release on licence after 4 years.

Out on licence means that part of the sentence is carried out in the community and he can go back if he breaks conditions of release.

jingle what ever the circumstances the 14 yr old girl was a child and Max Clifford was an adult. She is NOT to blame HE IS! He knew he should not be having any sort of 'adult' physical contact with her..even if she had wanted to get involved he should have refused.

The findings of the Judge describe just how evil and manipulative Clifford is.

www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-hhj-leonard-r-v-clifford.pdf

BBC news not quite right - 4 years if granted parole at first opportunity.

Should say treatment in prison, not our son!

With an eight year sentence, he'll have time to complete sex offender treatment in our son (so no open conditions), and will then be on parole and expected to comply with any treatment if still not showing significant change in attitude. SSD will contribute to licence conditions about not being allowed access to children, so if there are any grandchildren, he'll either not see them or only be allowed if supervised. As a high profile case, multi-agency oversight of his risk will be reviewed frequently. I wouldn't fancy being his probation officer - such a wily character, he'll be a management nightmare!

BBC news says he will serve 4 years.I hope so.Although why give a sentence that is not carried out in full.I have never understood that.

Let us hope he serves the full sentence. It is very important that those in positions of power know that they are not above the law.

It is very disturbing that in these 3 cases (Clifford, Saville and Smith) that there were so many people who knew there was a problem but did not feel able to fight the might of a powerful person.

I wonder how long he will serve out of that or if he will be moved to an open type prison,he now has plenty of time to write a book about all his famous clients.

I heard a summary of the judge's remarks on the radio. He didn't pull his punches! I expect it will be in the papers tomorrow - probably on line by now.

He got 8 years. Apparently he was very arrogant throughout the trial.

Oh I see"peter"(phone won't do accents) = to fart. Knew that.

what on earth feetle???

@Ariadne - are you familiar with the French 'Pets de nonnes'? They really do have some odd names for edibles... their is soup called 'Gratte-cul' too...

So, a 14 year old goes celeb chasing, wants some excitement, her parents might not know, or they might even encourage her thinking she has some talent and Max Clifford could help? Does that warrant being sexually assaulted? Rich pickings for a child abuser. It doesn't matter if she's cooperating or not. Children should be protected from sexual predators, not exploited. He thought he was immune, and if we don't keep investigating and prosecuting child abusers, they will keep finding vulnerable children to harm.

More children are being guided by their parents and teachers about touching they don't invite or welcome, and the industry has had quite a shake up about safeguarding children, but sexual predators will always look for vulnerable children to exploit.

So that fourteen year Wasn't just celeb chasing when? No seeking fame and fortune, or a taste of the showbiz life?

I wonder.

Doesn't, of course, excuse what he did. Just saying.

These men are so clever at what they do,I do know a lady who had an experience with a molester and she was more terrified of him telling her parents that she had instigated what was going on than the abuse she was undergoing with this "friend" of the family,she was convinced by him that her parents would believe him if things where said.To this day she has never ever told her parents what went on my heart goes out to her and others affected by these men.

'Grooming' of children is a concept most people know about now. Planning, convincing parents the child is safe in their care, fooling the child into believing they must cooperate or they'll be in trouble or cause trouble for others. Naive children are no match for powerful adults with malicious intentions. That's why they go back.