Max Clifford

He's always come across as a bit sleazy/seedy, but can you really blame the tabloids for seizing on the stories of the celebs he represented?

I didn't think anyone was suggesting that every single thing he said was lies and distortions, he was on trial for sexual offences and has of course been found guilty. I'm not defending him in any way, but I'm not sure what you're implying by your post, Soutra.

SOUTRA, stop it, as you very well know we DO restrained !
Admirably in my opinion, no-one can really top us !

The gutter press bought his stories, published them with glee (and not always too much concern with their veracity- we have all seen the banner headlines and "those" front pages and he made a lot of money as well as wrecking lives. Poetic justice indeed.

Hoist with his own petard.

jane that should be in the old-fashioned sayings thread .

He did come across as a real smooth character, a bit too smooth for my liking.

Doesn't he have an adult disabled child that he cares for?

How can a quotation from Hamlet be simply an 'old-fashioned saying'? It fits the bill in this context perfectly.

I didn't recognise it as Hamlet, Anno . Apologies for my ignorance.

I have to confess I didn't realise it was from Hamlet either
But it was one of my father's favourite sayings!

It's estimated that Shakespeare intriduced hundreds of new words (eg dwindle) and phrases ('it's Greek to me) into the English language.

Or even 'introduced' ..

Well said Soutra, you have hit the nail on the head (another saying)!

Amazing how many of these molesters were elevated to the peerage isn't it?

I think it was his daughter standing to his right. She has a form of arthritis but I believe she works for him.

Do I remember he got married again a few years ago? One of the weirdest things to come out of the trial was, to me, that he kept a letter from a victim in his bedside draw.

I listened to David Mellor on the radio (on Jeremy Vine, I think) saying Clifford always mixed lies with the truth to get more money for stories but enough to stop the victim of the story suing!

It said in the papers on Sunday that his wife (of not very long) was waiting for the trial to end then she would be filing for divorce.

I used to quite like Max Clifford.

I was hoping we would not have a thread on the topic that was too viciously gloating!

I don't understand your final sentence Petallus

Is anybody viciously gloating?? I find it hard to understand how anybody could "like"" (even "quite") someone whose raison d'etre seemed to be to extract massive amounts of money from the tabloids usually after some personal trauma or "train crash" in a private life.

Aka makes a good point about the elevation of a number of individuals later proved to be 'molesters'.

I'm relieved that the jury were able to convict Max Clifford, despite the time that elapsed since some of the offences took place. He, like Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith has presented himself as a larger than life type of personality. It is worrying that all 3 of these disgusting men have put themselves in the centre of charity fund raisers, particularly those connected to children.

David Mellor said in a radio interview yesterday that 'rumours' about Max Clifford and sexual abuse were swirling around for years. Interesting that, the same with Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith. All 3 of these men were bullies, happy to threaten anyone who spoke the truth about them.

I am not gloating Petallus, when I say that I'm relieved and pleased that Op Fernbridge's investigation into Max Clifford had resulted in a conviction. I live in hope that the broader investigation its undertaking will finally lead to public exposure, and better still, successful prosecution of a number of well known public figures currently the focus of Operation Fernbridge.

While it is chilling to fully comprehend the depths to which some people sank regarding sexual or physical abuse of women and children, what must be becoming clear is that NOBODY can be assumed to be above suspicion just because of their status. Too many blind eyes have been turned and too many accusations "pooh-poohed".

Didn't mean that to sound aggresive Petallus hope it didn't???

'Hoist by his own petard'....those who live by the sword, die by the sword.....etc etc. Nothing new is there?

I felt only relief that the steady work of the police and CPS has brought this trial to justifiable convictions, after the awful accusations of a witch hunt on celebs kept being dragged out.

I question the wisdom of giving Max Cliffird bail, because I wonder if he is now a suicide risk. He's lost nearly everything and it seems some of his family are not going to stand by him.

Like Iam64 I follow Fernbridge, Yew Tree and otter investigations with interest. Lots of famous, powerful people's names are mentioned on the internet as being implicated in these paedophile rings. Some were young enough to be drawn in as victims of sexual abuse before their corruption and movement into abusing children themselves.

As long as things keep moving forward I am satisfied to wait and see these cases come to trial. I am concerned that some may not, as the powerful have the means to put obstacles in the way of justice, and some may disappear or take their own lives before it comes to the crunch.

I am rather amused that Mellor lays the blame for his fall from grace on Clifford.

At least Mellor's cavorting was with a grown woman and consensual.