Scotland YES or NO

Actually, Granny23, that's just the link to the NHA link to Rufus Hounds article in the New Statesman. Here's the link to the full article.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/rufus-hound-scotland-debate-showed-how-much-voters-value-nhs-few-realise-how-close

Thankyou, Scotland. Now all we need to do is follow through on the NHS.

I like his statement that most people prefer the comfortable lie to the horrifying truth, and the picture it gives me of Gordon Brown.

Hope this cheers you up a bit, Granny23.

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Granny23, I think you got it wrong about Miliband.
What he said was that he would not let Cameron link the increased powers given to Scotland with the timing of the rest of the UK.
That is Cameron's get out of jail free card. If he links the two, he can forget what they asked Brown to promise by next year. I agree with Miliband. Just as the referendum wasn't rushed, Cameron should not be able to rush anything else through before the next election.
Yes, we want greater autonomy in the North East, but not at any price, and we should be allowed to have a debate on it.
Gordon Brown has said he will make sure that the promises go ahead. Having asked him to front the show, Cameron cannot now say he does not agree to it. Mind you, he only has one Scottish MP to lose in the next election in Scotland, hasn't he?
He's a soundbite man. You can tell his only other job was PR.

Not to worry Nellie. The 'new powers' promised to Scotland over the last few days of the referendum, quickly followed by promise of new powers, even a Parliament, for England to ward off a backlash of opinion have already been consigned to the dustbin, will be forgotten within the week. Any apparent consensus among the main party leaders has already disintegrated and there is no appetite for constitutional change among the back benchers of all the parties, whose thoughts have turned, now that the pesky referendum is out of the way, to the 2015 General Election. There is now no chance of cross-party agreement in the immediate future - perhaps a line setting out vague proposals might appear in each GE manifesto.

I would be quite worried if the government make any rash quick decisions about giving greater powers without giving it proper thought.

We do not need any more sound bite legislation.

My DH said he thought caution would win for the NO side and I think he was proved right. Women and older voters more cautious about taking such a big leap into the unknown. Very young voters and men less so. This applies in life generally - men less cautious about many things as are very young.
Also I guess that Gordon Brown was a significant factor. I know he is not popular with tories and the press but he pulled the stops out one way and another.
I think Cameron has made a huge mistake in implying yesterday morning that devolution for England and increased devolution for the 3 other nations would be sorted in a few months in terms of how it would happen. Ludicrous suggestion. What was he thinking? England have taken a couple of years to sort out something as trivial as charging 5p for plastic bags. Agreeing what devolution for England actually means is not a simple issue.

Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland already have their own proud identities within the UK. We do not want to lose them.
Should England which also has a unique identity not be in this list - Great Britain or the United Kingdom is made up of all 4 nations.

Granny23 did you see the link to an interview by Jenni Murray on my post Friday 19/09/14 at 15:45. The social attitudes researcher was generally of the opinion that women voters had done a lot more thinking about the economic consequences than the men and that she did not think that the "Westminster bribes" played a big part all all.

Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland already have their own proud identities within the UK. We do not want to lose them.

IMO The more divisions within a country the more dangers of Rivalry and distrust etc.

I passed through George Square late yesterday afternoon. There was a very small gathering of people from the Yes campaign, probably the remains of a larger group. They were dejected, as was to be expected, we stood with them for a wee while listening to a chap singing Loch Lomond. I remarked to DH that The Dear Green Place felt very sad.

As we left we saw a large group of police arriving and wondered why. Now we know.

People have spoken about petty nationalism displayed by a minority in the run up to the referendum but no mention was made of the other side of the coin. This appalling behaviour by sectarian thugs saddens but does not surprise me.

To be fair to her The Queen would have been severely criticised if she had made any comments on the referendum hinting at any personal view.

I fear thugs and morons will always be with us and take advantage to come out of the woodwork at such times as they did yesterday. I think the media encourages them. It's their opportunity for a minute of fame as they fight to get in front of the cameras. Sad.

I heard Mr Farage yesterday saying that UKIP was for federalism. Perhaps that's an alternative option Granny23? Each country raising it's own taxes but contributing jointly to defence and border control as Germany I believe does.

Football thugs and Idiots involved in this,unfortunately in Glasgow it always seems to come down to bigotry.

I have been out this evening, Granny23, but have read about the awful stuff in George Square. I've read about what was said about Andy Murray in our local 'Courier' newspaper, and, like you, am disgusted, angry, fearful and ashamed of my fellow Scots who have behaved in this fashion.
We went out to our village hall for an evening of music and fun. All day we've felt rather dejected and this lifted our spirits somewhat....until we came home and discovered these horror stories.
I can imagine how you're feeling. You have worked so hard and have been passionate in your beliefs. My own daughter and her friends have also campaigned steadily over the last couple of years.
Tomorrow is another day. Let's hope those who are full of hatred (and ignorance) can leave it behind them and move on, as we all must do now. xx

Did anyone notice the report (on the same page of the Daily Mail as *Jingle's link re Andy Murray's mum) about the mindless BNP, Ulster Loyalists, and Ranger's Casuals thugs who arrived by train and stormed into George Square late afternoon today in an organised attack on a small group of dejected Yes supporters who had gathered there. This is the first real outbreak of violence during the campaign. The National news on TV made no mention of this riot by the victorious NO side who declared they had come to punish Glaswegians for voting YES.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762876/Union-flag-waving-demonstrators-make-Nazi-salute-Glasgow-victory-celebrations-Police-separate-rival-groups-tension-increases.html

BTW were there any reports down south when the Thug who broke a single egg on Jim Murphy's back, was traced and charged. It transpired that he was not connected in any way to the YES campaign but was, in fact, a disgruntled Labour supporter with a personal grudge against Murphy......

As you will appreciate the last 36 hours have been devastating for me. A totally unexpected, indeed for me, unbelievable result. Accusations of vote rigging all over social media, Farage and Tory back benchers demanding that Scotland's finances should be slashed, an announcement from Milliband that he will not co-operate with Cameron on the promised increased powers which tempted so many to vote NO, Alex Salmond's honourable resignation, an outbreak on Twitter of foul tweets to Andy Murray (saying he should have died in the Dunblane Massacre and worse) rioting in George Square and lastly someone has set fire to the Herald (only newspaper to back a YES vote) newspaper building.

I fully understand why so many voted NO, expecting a secure, peaceful, amicable future for Scotland within the UK but now I fear for my beloved Scotland- the NO voters look set to be punished along with the YESSERS.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/19/queen-uk-respect-scottish-independence-referendum

Queen's statement about the referendum. Why would you expect her to say more than this? Why is this not what she really thinks?

Call me senile but if my memory serves me right, a televised statement from Buckingham Palace about Diana's death couldn't be more public and the Queen may not have attended the civil ceremony for Charles and Camilla's wedding but she sure as hell was at the blessing afterwards.

Or maybe she did Agedp. Stayed at Balmoral. Made a public statement about the death of Mother Theresa but none about her former d.i.l. and mother to the future King.

You can make your opinions known with out actually verbalizing them and the Queen is very good at that. Didn't attend Charles' and Camillas' wedding either did she.

No I don't do you? She certainly didn't make her private thoughts about Diana public.

The Queen can't respond; she's the Queen and can't make political statements durhamjen

As for a lack of humanity to quote Mahatma Gandhi on the matter of humanity:

"7 Deadly Sins
Wealth without work
Pleasure without conscience
Science without humanity
Knowledge without character
Politics without principle
Commerce without morality
Worship without sacrifice"

Haven't seen any of the aforementioned on this thread.

So you know differently, do you, Agedp? You know what she really thinks?

The queen is undoubtedly a great monarch, but by her position has to have a measured response. Personal thoughts are probably wisely kept private.

Anya.

Shame that Alex Salmond has resigned, but understand why. He certainly made Westminster sit up and take notice.

Agreed Durhamjen