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Aid to Africa

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durhamjen Mon 14-Jul-14 13:29:27

www.actionaid.org.uk

HollyDaze Mon 14-Jul-14 12:24:58

I agree with the article in the OP - whilst so much aid is given (and, apparently, without restraint on its destination) then the African governments will not change one iota. I have heard quite a few people of African descent saying exactly the same thing as in the article but, the West always thinks it knows best - but sadly tends to make things worse. Throwing money at problems doesn't always solve them.

Are training shops set up for local people to learn a trade and then aid given to get a business up and running with financial support until it is established? I think it is practical help that the people of Africa need as much as anything else.

durhamjen Mon 14-Jul-14 00:01:29

www.fairtrade.org.uk/en/media-centre/news/may-2014/response-to-soas-report

An article about Fairtrade. Because some people do not do Fairtrade properly does not mean it's the same for every company.
I know, for example, that Nestle tell lies on their Kitkat. It is not all fairtrade chocolate, although they do buy some fairtrade chocolate.
The scams tend to be centred around coffee, rather than other goods. That's because there are three different fairtrade symbols for coffee. That's why I said make sure you buy proper fairtrade, with the Fairtrade Foundation sign.
The article mentions Uganda in particular. On the same page as this link it mentions the fact that schools are going to use fairtrade. I think that is a good thing, and should not be discouraged just because some people think it's not a good idea.
Surely the more fairtrade we buy, the better it will be for the producing countries, and that was the whole point, trade not aid. There will be more inspectors if we make sure the fairtrade countries can afford them.
There's a very interesting book about fairtrade written by the man who set up a company called Shared Earth. I think it has the words sex toys and coffins in the title. Worth reading to find out how difficult it is to set up fair trade businesses.

FlicketyB Sat 12-Jul-14 16:36:22

Nelliemoser That is a sweeping generalisation of one continent that could equally apply to the two Americas and Central Asia but this hasn't stopped development there. It is anyway inaccurate. Certainly there are places in Africa that are arid but many more with plenty of good agricultural land and adequate rain fall.

The prevalence of tropical diseases is the result of inadequate medical resources and poor sanitation and the lack of a clean water supply. With these in place it would be no more unhealthy than any other tropical country.

It has plenty of natural resources; massive coal reserves in South Africa and other rare and common minerals in South Africa, Zimbabwe, The Congo and Angola. Oil and gas is found extensively in Nigeria, Cameroon and Angola. China is a major investor in African minerals. It is what governments do with the money they receive that is the problem.

The problem with Africa is, and has always been, poor governance and corrupt governments. Fifty years ago most South American countries were treated as basket cases with the same problems of poor governance and corrupt governments and grinding poverty and disease, Now, most have what is close to democratic government and social conditions are improving. There are still problems, but look at Brazil, a large South American country with a thriving economy and taking its place on the world stage.

Africa countries only received home rule in the second half of the 20th century, at least 100 years after the South American countries achieved independence. Give them another 50 years and they too will achieve democracy and economic success. They are no worse off for natural resources than any other continent. Many countries have sea coasts and there are plenty of land-bound countries in all the other continents.

Nelliemoser Sat 12-Jul-14 08:15:49

It's thought provoking the bit about economic development, but I don't think it would work.
If the African continent was in a part of the world with a benign climate, no severe droughts every few years, no mosquitos.

None of those awful tropical diseases and other nasties, some good natural resources for industrial use they might stand a chance of some better industrial development and become economically viable.

We in Northern Europe have all sorts of natural resources which have fuelled our economic development.
Wood for building. Enough really reliable supplies of water for water power, milling etc etc. Coal to power industry lots of mineral resources Iron, Lead copper tin etc, and compared to most of Africa we are very close to the sea to have been able to use that for trade fo the last 2000 yrs.

I am sure the Geography of this continent is a huge problem, with regard to any development.

Grannyknot Sat 12-Jul-14 07:34:06

that development starts within individual communities and then the nation offers freedom from political, economic and social exploitation

The above is a very true statement and you could strip out "communities" and it would read like this: "development starts within the individual and then offers freedom from political, economic and social exploitation".

POGS Fri 11-Jul-14 23:22:46

Durhamjen

Put 'fairtrade scam' into Google and you might be worried. There have been quite a few comments made in the various media forms about fair trade being abused.

POGS Fri 11-Jul-14 23:17:56

A little off the subject so forgive me that bags but I was debating as to whether or not to start a thread relating to aid/charity.

I was watching a report on t.v about Cambodia. Apparently there is a decrease in orphans yet the amount of orphanages have gone up. Not because they have improved etc. but they are sprouting up to 'catch out' the tourists. They are using children to 'bait' tourists into handing over cash yet the children are not orphans, their parents may have been paid off or other ways of obtaining them that we probably wouldn't like either. It is a SCAM.

I thought this was a new story but looking it up I note this has been known for a while, hence I apologise if it has been mentioned before, I had not heard about this horrible situation.

I think I am so angry about it as the Cambodian government know it is happening but do very little to stop it. My main concern is the genuine orphanages will loose out terribly as obviously tourists will stop giving and orphanages and the kids will suffer, maybe even shut down.

As for Aid I totally agree with your post that bags. Corruption is rife. Aid/Charity money is wasted. I have mentioned before the amount of cash the charities held in the banks when they crashed and it was an eye opener. I would love to think that Aid/Charity money was used wisely but a lot of it is not.

durhamjen Fri 11-Jul-14 23:07:53

They are not allowed to, jingle, unless it really is true. Otherwise they are breaking the law and can be fined lots of money by trading standards under the mislabelling of goods. It's good that there are many more fairtrade products in the shop.
Make sure it is the fairtrade logo, and not a spin off.
If we all did that, the government would not need to give so much in aid.
I think there is a website, Trade not aid. Or check Ethical Consumer and Ethical Superstore to find out what is and is not fairtrade, and whether companies are trying to fiddle it.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 11-Jul-14 22:56:51

Trouble is, they're all getting to put that Fairtrade logo on things now. Hard to tell which ones really mean anything. hmm

durhamjen Fri 11-Jul-14 22:53:21

So why doesn't the government give aid to the charities that are working there, such as Wateraid or Practical Action? Then presumably it cannot get squandered by the Ugandan government.
Surely it's up to all of us to make sure that we buy fair trade goods, rather than rely on the government to do it for us. We can do it with many goods now in the shops.

thatbags Fri 11-Jul-14 22:09:30

This is a thought provoking article:

Sulaiman Kakaire

If you believe in stereotypes then, as an African from a country that last year received £97.9 million from Britain, I should have welcomed the news that the government will enshrine in law a commitment to spend 0.7 per cent of GDP on foreign aid.
And I should have been angered by Nigel Farage’s remarks that he would abolish all aid except for emergency relief.
The Ukip leader’s views and mine differ on many counts, but we have a surprising amount in common on this subject — I too believe that if the West ended foreign aid we would all be better off in many different ways.
The notion that aid will help Africa to develop is basically misconceived. Development cannot start at the edges of society where, being tied to specific projects, most aid to Africa is focused. Julius Nyerere, the former president of Tanzania, said that development starts within individual communities and then the nation offers “freedom from political, economic and social exploitation”. This is what Africans want.
In my country, Uganda, the priorities are agriculture, infrastructure, education and technology, but aid is not spent on these — only £15.1 million out of the £600 million of external finance in the budget is available for these priorities, while £584 million goes on project aid. Most of this is spent on expensive and inconsequential workshops and seminars; or is pocketed by the political elite.
In 2012 Uganda’s auditor general reported that at least ¤10 million from an EU aid programme had been channelled into the private accounts of officials in the office of the prime minister. Over the years this widespread embezzlement has been used for political patronage.
If aid to Africa stopped it would prompt African countries to plan according to their resources. When Britain and others suspended direct aid to Uganda because of the 2012 corruption reports, Uganda had to look for other ways to generate 81 per cent of its budget. Previously almost half was donor-funded.
Instead of aid the West can help Africa in trade — yet here there is much more reluctance to help. The EU is still not offering the fair trade terms and investment opportunities that will develop Africa’s economies and create more jobs for its people.