Anti-Jewish double standards

Well reasoned article by Libby Purves

PS Well said, lily.

In defence of the phrase "chucking rockets". Rockets are what is chucked. Chucked is a word that means the same as tossed or pitched. Anyone who wants to take offence at that use of the word is free to do so. The fact remains that Hamas does chuck rockets into Israel (and Israel responds in kind only more so).

Long live the peace process.

I won't start up another forum if it's alright with you Jess. I'm not sure I'd want to invite anyone else into the unpleasant quagmire this site can throw up from time to time.

Perhaps even racist posts could be dealt with effectively by Gransnetters.

I also complained about the post being reported - although janeainsworth's reasoning reply made perfect sense.

Still working thank you Jingle and no need to make a personal attack. If you don't like the moderation on the forum then you could always start your own forum. My sister did this very successfully. Or you could join a forum where there are official moderators and then you could, once you have demonstrated your understanding of the rules, be one of the people who decide when a post is beyond the pale. Because some are beyond the pale and someone has to take responsibility for flagging them up and then deciding which side of the line they fall. GN staff do rely on members to flag up things that step over the line - because on this site there are no appointed moderators other than the paid staff, who cannot watch all threads.

No doubt there are lots of Israelis in the UK but the vast majority of people of Jewish heritage in this country are not Israeli. That's why it is ignorant at best to attack Jews here for the perceived sins of the state of Israel and at worst, anti-Semitic. The frequent references to international Jewish conspiracies and the unacceptable influence of Jews on American politics, for example, make my blood run cold. Where did we hear that before?

And I did think your earlier post was very clarifying, so thank you again.

Thank you MicElf. Yes. Yours was a sensible reason to report the post.

I will ignore the nasty bit of your post.

I can't speak for Jess, of course, but I reported the post as well. For two reasons:

So that the racist offensive comment didn't pollute this forum

And so that Gransnet wasn't complicit, through not being aware of, the said comment.

The rest of your petulant response isn't worthy of reply.

And while we seem to be knocking each other on here, why Bags do you have to use such a casual form of language. I find reference to "chucking rockets" quite offensive.

Bags. I'm not sure I could screech on a forum.

How exactly would you go about it?

And why do you jess think it necessary to immediately report anything you don't like the sound of? Is it some inborn tendency you have, or something left over from a working career which you are now missing?

Eloethan, I don't have any answers. I just feel the West stirred up the hornets' nest and then walked away when the stinging got too much.

Maybe they think they need to be more overt because the UN just isn't listening. Belfast knows only too well how many lives can be lost before the talking starts to become effective.

So, yeah, I guess I just think it's yobbish to behave like those people in the Belfast shop.

They boycotted and argued with politicians and got governments to impose sanctions in a civilised way. And it worked, eventually.

People did not unilaterally remove South African goods from shop shelves. At least, not where I lived.

Allright, anti-Israel. It's not wrong to boycott a country's goods. What's wrong is unilaterally removing the choice from other people. I have boycotted Israeli goods for years but it's not for me to impose my judgments and my choices on other people in such a 'loud', and I think aggressive, way. If you believe in freedom of choice you have to believe in everyone having the same choices as you want for yourself. Anything else is not freedom.

bags why is it anti-Semitic to conduct a peaceful protest by boycotting Israeli goods and taking them off shelves? Israelis are not all Jews - there are Christians and Muslims in Israel, and very likely other religious groups, too. The protest is about the Israeli government's oppression of the citizens of Gaza, not about Jews. There are plenty of Jewish people here in Manchester who also object to how Israel is treating Palestine, going back many years before the current crisis.

Yes, and dealt with by HQ. Screeching about it on here (not you, jess) just strikes me as childish and should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

But... maybe some people do need telling

I think it's helpful for everyone to know that posting those sorts of comments online is a racially aggravated public order offence.

You're protesting too, jess. Why not just ignore jings' protests? It's how she is.

Jingle I reported the post because it clearly broke the guidelines as outlined in www.gransnet.com/info/netiquette
Why is it jingle that every time something is deleted you can't just accept that the moderators have a duty to delete certain posts that transgress these rules guidelines? Sometimes they even have to do this to stay within legal guidelines.
I know it is annoying that they do so without consulting you first but that's life, so why bother protesting?