English GN's referendeum

Yes I agree papa I also think the Guardian and the Independent are usually truthful reporting such events. It certainly looked and sounded a very rowdy and ugly outing for Ed Milliband on the ITV news. I feel so sad we are now seeing the knock on effect nationalism brings out in the rest of this tiny island.

I tend to regard the Guardian and Independent as reasonable bench marks of the truth these days. I note that Milliband was badly treated badly in Edinburgh today by pro-independence low-life. Perhaps that's how they treat the Leader of the Opposiion up there.

Not necessarily, but unlike the BBC and all the mainstream press, STV has at least attempted to show some balance in its coverage of the referendum campaigns.

Ah so the journalist from STV must be right. Silly old Guardian.

Penguin The Guardian is 'at it' once again


Jason_F

16 September 2014 5:36pm

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^Claire Stewart, a journalist from STV, was there and has tweeted:

"...there were no thugs there, just too many media, too many no campaigners and a handful of loud yes people."^

So, not quite the impression the Guardian’s headline and introductory paragraphs are giving.

How strange, penguin, according to the other thread, all the Yes voters are lovely, kind people who get on really, really well with their friends and neighbours who want to vote 'no' and respect everyone who may have a different opinion

Yes, I do usually like to know what I am eating. Perhaps a glass or two of wine followed by a tot or two of whisky on Burns Night dulls the senses!

Rose, the good thing about vegetarian haggis is that you do know what's in it.

Things are getting very unpleasant.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/16/ed-miliband-branded-serial-murderer-scottish-independence-edinburgh-walkabout

Thanks for that info, Elegran. I couldn't understand how Scotland could go it alone when there was no union then anyway.
Was it Newton who lost lots of money in the South Sea Bubble?

Whichever way it goes, this is all going to cost us dearly.

The Darien Scheme was an attempt, not to go it alone, but to establish a colony called Caledonia on the gulf on Darien in the 17th Century. It seemed a good idea at the time, and many Scottish (and other) investors put money into it in the hope of getting much more back in trade. alas, for various reasons it failed, and the investors lost their money.

Similar sure-fire investments have caused trouble in other countries and at other times - the South Sea Bubble in Britain in 1720 ,tulip bulb mania in the low countries, and the dotcom boom and bust recently.

And they must .....

As long as we don't soften and start bailing them out.

If it does
They made their bed --

It's surprising what you learn when you eavesdrop! Just heard a couple of people talking about this (seems to be the hot topic anyway) and they mentioned that this is not the first time that Scotland tried to branch out on their own - something called the Darien Scheme (just looked it up) that went horresndously wrong 'leaving the Scottish economy almost bankrupt to the extent that it triggered the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament and led to the 1707 Act of Union with England' 'when Scotland approached England for a bailout' (http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/The-Darien-Scheme/).

If it is a yes vote, I hope it won't be history repeating itself.

I know that, I never mentioned their nationality did I

I was just putting these types of products together - like sausages, black pudding, white pudding, hog's pudding, haggis etc.

All made of minced or chopped unidentifiable ingredients which I know you would never eat!

They do make a veggie version of haggis, though, my friend orders that one. The friend who told me to pour my whisky over it.

Rose, faggots are English.

I suppose 'Scottish citizen' would cover it, and that phrase could be adapted for the other nations comprising the UK.

I'm not Scottish tho' I am, at the moment, a Scot, according to the Scottish government, because I live in Scotland.

How strange!

I'm trying, and failing, to think of an equivalent description for settlers in other parts of the UK...

Bags they come in a tin! but are a whole small haggis, in a skin ready to be boiled! baked or micro'd
I found them at Edinburgh airport last year where they were giving out samples. Very tasty so I bought some. You can get them on line as well.

Just realised, I'll be on board QE for St Andrew's night. Think we are in Croatia. Wonder if they'll do haggis wie all the trimming?

It was the macS's I was talking about as bland. I'll check out this Haggis Co.

Agreed.
However the haggis company's ones are quite acceptable and better than the McSweeneys we get down here.

who make their own.

I used to celebrate Burns Night when I lived in England. Why ever not?

I'm not Scottish tho' I am, at the moment, a Scot, according to the Scottish government, because I live in Scotland.

Haggis—proper haggis—is not bland. I would not call the most commonly known haggis available in supermarkets proper haggis. You can really only get proper haggis from proper Scottish butchers.