And another thing!

He may have changed his mind Tegan.
That could have been from 2 years ago, or 2 months.
It makes a difference. To me at anyrate.

This is what he thinks about women, soontobe.

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/karren-brady-when-nigel-farage-says-women-are-worth-less-in-business-i-shudder-9864629.html

I think it's quite funny when Cameron says people should vote for him because of this. He's not exactly known for promoting women at work.

Labour had never been in power a century ago. If the British voters had done what some of you on here advocate, it never would have. It would have been Liberals and Tories for ever.
It was only founded in 1900, and I get annoyed when people say that it is in the pockets of the unions. It was set up by the unions, so why should it not take money from them?
I read over the weekend that the Lib Dems were given over £500,000 by one union.
The Green Party does not have its head in the clouds. It does quite well in Europe. Given the airtime that Ukip gets, it would do much better in the UK. Unfortunately the media, run mainly by tax exiles, does not want that.
People get taken in by Farage. He's not someone in your local pub. He made all his money in the city. I cannot imagine the Labour party going into coalition with Ukip, but if they do, it just proves how far to the right the Labour party have moved.

Personally I'm not bothered about when he said it, just the fact that he said it.

Uh oh.
I couldnt see when he said that?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2gpwSJldTo

What we should all do [and I'm as guilty as any when it comes to it] is decide which party we want to be affiliated to, join it and make our voices heard. Rather than voting for Mickey Mouse parties and hoping that, by doing so, things will get better

I would like to think that this already happens.
My guess is though that they havent been listened to.
Guesswork on my part though.

Soontobe - if you look at the Ukip statements about the NHS for example, you'll see NF wants to privatise it. No doubt he'll back track on what he said, but I wouldn't want Ukip to hold the balance of power, as it seems may be possible

He seems to backtrack on things that are unpopular.
So that is good in a way, but also it is like they havent made their own minds up yet.
Not sure when the manifesto will be out.
Maybe he wont do one, which wouldnt be a good thing.

rose I am inclined to agree. I can't quite make why I feel like it but I loath both her and Salmond. And being somewhat bitchy I hate her make-up - so caked on!

I certainly wouldn't want the SNP to hold any balance of power. They demand more and more for Scotland without any thought of what is best for the United Kingdom as a whole. I wish now that they had voted 'Yes'; I think Sturgeon is very dangerous indeed.

By the way, I said in my previous post that she will be demanding 30 hours of paid nursery care for children from the age of 2 in Scotland amongst other demands - without considering what pressure this would put on UK taxpayers - at the same I stated that Welsh children are allowed 12.5 hours per week compared to Scotland's present 15 hours - well, they are not. Welsh children are only allowed 10 hours per week. She does not give a damn about the rest of the country so why should Westminster consider her demands?

Give them tax raising powers and let them go their own way.

I was in favour of proportional representation. I'm not a historian but a pal who is warned me, that's what got Hitler into power. Not saying Nigel F is anything like Adolph, but some of his pals in the european parliament certainly are.

Soontobe - if you look at the Ukip statements about the NHS for example, you'll see NF wants to privatise it. No doubt he'll back track on what he said, but I wouldn't want Ukip to hold the balance of power, as it seems may be possible.

I had totally forgotten that Ana . Having looked it up, I see that approx two-thirds of those who voted chose to keep the old system. Well, I never.

We did have a referendum on the Alternative Vote didn't we.

The Lib Dems joined with Labour if I'm not mistaken in going against a Conservative vote for a reformed House of Lords.

Labour are now calling for reforms to the Lords. Lib Dems always have wanted it. They could have got behind the Conservatives and 'banked' an 80% Lords reform and progressed with further reforms if and when they got into power.

The politics of power.

As the saying goes 'You couldn't make it up'.

The UK held an Alternative Vote referendum as part of the Conservative /Liberal Democrat Coalition Agreement drawn up after the 2010 general election in May 2011, FarNorth - don't you remember?

The population voted overwhelmingly to keep the old system.

What we should all do [and I'm as guilty as any when it comes to it] is decide which party we want to be affiliated to, join it and make our voices heard. Rather than voting for Mickey Mouse parties and hoping that, by doing so, things will get better.

It's unfortunate that the UK still uses the out-dated voting system that it has and did not introduce proportional representation.
Despite this being a key policy of the Liberal party and them being part of the government for the last few years, it hasn't happened.
So we will again have the ridiculous situation of people trying to guess who might be the least disastrous choice to vote for, as Tegan has said about voting Conservative.

whitewave.

Did you watch the SNP conference?

The SNP did say they would hold the balance of power after May and would prop up a Labour government. Even if the weasle term 'Confidence and Supply' is used that's just a cowards way of saying it will accept being in coalition with another party, to me anyway.

Even UKIP has said it would do a deal with the devil and back Labour to get what it wants.

That's why I say come next May the voter will be ashamed of the political hypocrisy and power grabbing by parties of all colours.

I'll do anything I can to stop the dreadful UKIP lot from having any power; I'm even contemplating voting Conservative for the first time in my life for that reason. And also worried at a comment I heard from the SNP saying that they could possibly hold the balance of power after the next election [did I mishear/misinterpret that?]. And also that they might possibly declare themselves independent at some point? In which case, the money spent on the referendum would have been better spent going to the poor and needy.

POGS I don't think that they said that they would prop up a Labour Government - only that they would look at each proposal on it's merits. Saying that Sturgeon is left of Salmond so unlikely to remotely consider a Tory Government.

But I take your point with regard to whether they would start to vote on various "English" laws, that would be an interesting point and we must see what happens after the next election.

Have the SNP said that they will never back a Tory proposal (presumably however good it might be)? I understood they had said only that they would never support a Tory government, in the way that the Liberals are now doing.
The reforms are not going ahead yet, but they are under consideration. The Smith Commission should produce "recommendations for further devolution of powers to the Scottish Parliament" by 30 November.

Well said, POGS.

Aren't the reforms going ahead ?

The West Lothian question has been discussed for years and watching the SNP conference it is without a doubt the hatred or Westminster and the Tories is going to be disruptive after May if they gain as many seats off of Labour as thought.

Now some who do find the thought of anarchy amusing may cheer them on but I don't.

The SNP actually declared it was out to disrupt. The SNP stated it will never back a Tory proposal if they were in government. The fact they have until now played a fair game and not voted for laws and decisions for the governance in England and Wales looks set to end if they apply their statement.

I can hear the whoops from the left but what if the Tories were in power and there was an immediate danger to the UK and you have a block of votes that stopped any legislation required, not because it was wrong but because they could just to bugger the works up. That to me is juvenile politics and I am seeing more and more of it.

The SNP called Labour the enemy of Scotland whilst it suited them during the referendum. Now they have declared they would prop up a Labour government. Now in my book that makes them hypocrites and disingenuous with words and actions. You can't call a coalition then go and offer to be part of one.

It's said the voter is disenfranchised with politics but after May the voter could be ashamed of the hypocritical, power grabbing way the parties OF ALL COLOURS behave.

The whole lot of them are an absolute shower.

The political system in this country needs a good shake up. If UKIP can accomplish this, all power to them.

I wish Scotland had been brave enough to go it alone!

That might have given the others a fright. What is happening about the reforms Cameron promised after the Scottish referendum?

I have never net a UKIP candidate.
And I am afraid to look closely at the policies for the moment.
I hope that they can get their act firmly together before the next election.

Up to now, FarNorth, I have been happy that they are making the status quo sit up and listen, and slightly bend.

Cant see UKIP having a landslide.
But if say they were to get 20 MPs, things might a start a changing in Westminster?

Hark at me. I am surprised I am so pro them.
I am not really, but want a voting upset given to the other parties.

I suspect that UKIP will thoroughly manage to mess it up before May.

I just don't know any more. This rot has been going on for years. Labour were no better, the gap started widening alarmingly when they were in power and it is getting no better now under the squabbling 'coalition'.

I listened to Nicola Sturgeon with her demands of what she wants for Scotland which, presumably, will have to be subsidised by the rest of us. For one thing, she wants 30 hours of nursery placement per week for 2 year olds upwards - 15 hours is not good enough! Well, in Wales they only get 12.5 hours. Salmond was a pussy cat in comparison.
I hope they get their own tax raising powers and fund another referendum.
It is no good voting for the Greens or UKIP or Plaid - they all have their heads in the clouds as do the Lib Dems.