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Have the Conservatives hit an all time low ...

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Gracesgran Mon 05-Jan-15 13:29:57

... with the dossier produced by the Treasury which seems very dodgy indeed. Using the OBR or the Treasury in an objective way would make sense but this is just a totally weaselly way of doing things and puts civil servants in an very difficult position.

I shall find it difficult to shake the hand of any Conservative politician backing this without washing it very quickly afterwards.

whitewave Mon 05-Jan-15 13:30:40

It will get worse

granjura Mon 05-Jan-15 13:38:08

Gracesgran, would you mind enlightening us with a bit more detail, thanks. I do not have access to UK newspapers-

Gracesgran Mon 05-Jan-15 14:01:59

We will no doubt hear more detail but, as I understand it, the Tory's have got the Treasury to produce figures about the cost of Labour's 2015-16 spending plans, using tax payers money for their own campaign.

Interestingly they haven't ask the Treasury to do the same for the Conservative "promises" and the "promises" they have use don't appear to be promises at all - just comments. They have not actually asked the Labour party for details.

It would be good if the - I would think OBR - produced papers to show what both the main parties costings would be - having been told by each party - as this would show us exactly what they intend to do and what is just rhetoric.

granjura Mon 05-Jan-15 14:57:19

Oh dear, thanks Gracesgran- will have to wait for more detail on the news tonight at 11 (we are an hour ahead)- unless, like Andrew- it's all hushed!

durhamjen Sat 17-Jan-15 18:54:41

Not really about the Conservatives, but I find this very interesting by Archbishop John Sentamu.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/01/17/our-duty-to-engage-with-politics/

There is also a very interesting article on taxresearch which claims that for every £1 spent on new tax officials there is between £18 and £97 gained. Why are the Conservatives not putting as much money as they can into getting more tax into the exchequer?
I think I know the answer.

vampirequeen Sat 17-Jan-15 19:39:14

Cameron seemed to admit today that the minimum wage isn't really enough to live on when he asked companies making profits to pay the living wage.

soontobe Sat 17-Jan-15 19:56:31

As I understand it, the tax office has been having staff cuts. Not staff increases in numbers.

Soutra Sun 18-Jan-15 08:50:08

confused ?

Anya Sun 18-Jan-15 09:13:37

Petty

Soutra Sun 18-Jan-15 09:14:31

confused?

soontobe Sun 18-Jan-15 09:20:40

eh? confused

durhamjen Sun 18-Jan-15 12:29:55

Who's petty? What's petty?

vampirequeen Sun 18-Jan-15 12:53:50

Confused about the 'petty'. Could you explain what you mean please?

durhamjen Sun 18-Jan-15 12:55:16

Cameron is trying to get Lansley appointed as the next humanitarian ambassador at the UN. Avaaz has a petition to stop it. If you think this is a bad idea, sign the petition.
This really would be an all time low.

Anya Sun 18-Jan-15 13:39:36

soontobe is correct about cuts to staffing levels in HMRC. I find it petty that Soutra has to pull a face at this, but then......

Soutra Sun 18-Jan-15 14:15:18

Ah so [ confused{ or confused because the relevance was not immediately clear to me constitutes "pulling a face?
What about blush or hmm?

Do all the emoticons have a pejorative connotation, or just the faces?

soontobe Sun 18-Jan-15 14:18:29

Are the staff cuts generally known?
I only know because I know people who work in the tax office.
If it is not generally known, I think I ought to get my post removed.

Thank you for your posts Anya.

Anya Sun 18-Jan-15 14:30:19

Yes, I have noticed soontobe as I'm sure others have.

Soutra Sun 18-Jan-15 14:55:14

<sighs>
Oh dear, I used an emoticon <slaps wrist>
OK for s2B to "pull a face" though? Or is the use of emoticons only for the few?
Please elucidate anya?

Anya Sun 18-Jan-15 15:06:37

wink

Soutra Sun 18-Jan-15 15:12:21

cupcake

Anya Sun 18-Jan-15 15:36:12

grin

durhamjen Sun 18-Jan-15 20:09:05

Yes, the staff cuts are generally known. However, if HMRC took on more staff to claim back unpaid tax, the money gained would outweigh the cost of the staff.
The Tory government would rather cut staff than get their friends to pay more tax. It is an election year, after all, and they need all the friends they can get.