Breaking News - Allegedly 10 people killed at office of satirical magazine in Paris

It could go some way to explain it, though, if they are disaffected youths who don't feel as if they 'belong' in French society. Brewing up resentment over the years, fuelled by views from more powerful others (who are never the ones to go off and commit these crimes or be suicide bombers, have you noticed?).

I guess the jihadists are not concerned about these people jingl, but just see them as ripe for radicalisation because of their dissatisfactions with the system under which they are living.

What granjura is saying is partly covered in the link I posted last night at 21.53pm last night.
They are treated as 3rd class.
Living as a 3rd class citizen for decades is bound to stir up resentment and worse.
No justification for murder though.

Granjura.

That could be said of many races though couldn' t it over decades. They haven't turned into barbaric murderers and joined groups such as Boko Haram, IS or All Q.

I'm sorry but we have seen so many reports of teenagers and young adults from the UK and other countries who are known to have gone to fight because they have been 'radicalised'. They are not from broken homes, poor neighbourhoods, suffered racism and certainly not deprived of an education. We know they include doctors, students.

Why can't it just be accepted that there are people who are prepared to do evil deeds and not one inch of understanding should be afforded them. Evil is evil, these people have the mantra 'My way or death'

You can't possibly put that forward as an excuse, or even reason, for killing people.

2 more people being held hostage at a jewellers in the southern French city of Montepellier.

Could be just a robbery though as it's at a jewellery shop.

I've got the rolling BBC news on and they have not said about Montpelier - where did this news appear Terribull?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903897/Two-held-hostage-southern-French-city-Montpellier-siege-three-days.html

The mail online has it as breaking news.

Maybe it's not connected?

Just found this online:

"UPDATE: Mayor of Montpellier confirms the hostage situation has been resolved with no fatalities
7:47 PM - 9 Jan 2015"

But the DM link is later and implies that it is still ongoing.

soon. What experience do you have of Maghrebis living in France?

It's trending on facebook. Most people seem to think it's a robbery.

Why Agus?

Have they been living as 3rd class citizens for decades?

I cant be doing with this conversation.
Read things up for yourself.

Sorry Agus. I may be coming across a bit snippy. I dont know actually. I shall go to bed!

No need to be rude as a way of avoiding my question.

You stated that Maghrebs have been living as 3rd class citizens for decades when in fact the approx 3 million Maghreb population of France were living in harmony with French natives until the Gulf War and its aftermath.

I was simply looking for an informed opinion from you but as that doesn't appear to be forthcoming I see no point in further discussion.

I remember reading about a French rapper who was loud and vocal in song and speech against everything about France. He lived in one of those areas full of immigrants, and eventually took himself off to Morocco, the country of his ethnic origin.

He came back with a different story. The poor lives of most Moroccans, the corruption and hopelessness opened his eyes to how good he had it in France, if only you make the effort to take them.

So some Muslims might see themselves as victims, because they don't accept how good Western society is, compared with countries like Morocco.

OK soon

Does anyone else remember the Paris massacre in the early 1960s when French Police fired on (mainly) Algerian demonstrators and some of the population threatened to drown Algerians in the Seine?

Agus there is a problem with disaffected young Maghrebis in the tenements and slums of Paris. We had one of these youths stay with us for a month on a work exchange programme. He was 19. He returned to stay with us over the summer and got a job tomato picking. He told us quite a lot about life in these areas. This was 15 years ago and I can quite imagine him latching onto an extreme philosophy as a way of giving his life some meaning.

Anya the 17th Octobre 1961 was an appalling massacre of FLN Algerians when the French police actually herded the demonstrators into the Seine, some of whom were unconscious.

The St Denis area of Paris would probably be one of the areas you are talking about and sadly many youths looking for something to give their life some meaning.

Oh the dangers of " links" or quoting things verbatim without necessarily understanding either the context or the detail.

The disaffected youth of any society, whether Asian lads in Leeds, Arabs in Paris or black kids in some parts of the US or even the "white underclass" of some of our UK towns and cities must provide a fertile breeding ground for the organisations which seek to undermine our culture and government.

Even football violence seems to me to stem from a desire to " belong" (to a team and its supporters) and gangs and extreme religious organisations provide that sense both of belonging and ownership many of them crave.

Meanwhile in Saudi Arabia, Raif Badawi has received a flogging of 50 lashes in public, the first part of a 1000 lash punishment. His crime? Writing a blog that some people thought blasphemous. Writing his thoughts.

I'm remembering the imprisonment of dissenters in the USSR now.

This is what we're up against. The suppression of free thought. The imprisonment and barbaric punishment of people who dare to differ from what the authorities say is right and proper. Total authoritarianism is the endgame.

Words do not kill or maim people. A good argument might change your mind, your beliefs, it might challenge your beliefs, but it doesn't hurt you that someone else thinks that your belief is daft and says so. If that were true, how could I be an atheist. Lots of people say lots of things against atheism and atheists. I shrug or argue back. It's that simple.

It's flogging and killing people who disagree with you that's the crime, not questioning or ridiculing ideas.