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Breaking News - Allegedly 10 people killed at office of satirical magazine in Paris

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papaoscar Wed 07-Jan-15 13:21:00

We must stand together against these murdering thugs, whatever drives their fundamentalist drivel. Our way of life, with all its faults, is far superior to theirs. Hunt down the culprits quickly and punish them hard. They are terrorists.

loopylou Wed 07-Jan-15 13:12:17

Not so certain these extreme radical groups give a monkeys about anyone else let alone respect anyone!

soontobe Wed 07-Jan-15 12:59:12

Of course we should not be held hostage by those people. I absolutely agree.
But as in all things in life, there are lines that ought not to be crossed. By people and media and in all walks of life.

Itis about loving people.
Inciting them, or printing things that vastly upset other people is not loving them.

Neither is murder, just in case anyone is in any doubts.

Come on. This is basic stuff.

Anya Wed 07-Jan-15 12:56:04

Especially those who's views are extremist and violent.

Riverwalk Wed 07-Jan-15 12:50:24

Who says I have no respect for people?

Just that religious people have no special right to respect by virtue of their beliefs.

Stansgran Wed 07-Jan-15 12:49:43

Twelve now dead and five seriously wounded. Nasty film of policeman being shot in the head as he was lying on the pavement.

Anya Wed 07-Jan-15 12:46:32

That's a silly thing to say soontobe ... we should not be held hostage by these people. One of the first things Hitler did was gag the German Press and look where that lead.

soontobe Wed 07-Jan-15 12:45:28

Does your non respect of people extend to non religious people too, Feetlebaum and Riverwalk?

Free speech trumps being offensive to all people?

Mishap Wed 07-Jan-15 12:33:53

I am not excusing this barbarism in any way.

Mishap Wed 07-Jan-15 12:31:50

Free speech is central to democracy - but needs to be tempered with respect, taste and decency. It should not be a licence to be as rude or offensive as possible.

soontobe Wed 07-Jan-15 12:26:56

Free speech seems to be all about being rude nowadays.

soontobe Wed 07-Jan-15 12:25:46

If you dont put limits on critisism, then that must mean that you and others can go about being uncontrolably rude to anyone you want to.

Riverwalk Wed 07-Jan-15 12:24:12

Yes, free speech must prevail.

Religion is not above criticism and followers have no special rights not to be offended.

soontobe Wed 07-Jan-15 12:23:39

Of course it doesnt Feetlebaum.

And I think that you can put permissable limits on critisism.

I am not sure if we agree or disagree
Feetlebaum.
I agree with what Lilygran has posted.

Lilygran Wed 07-Jan-15 12:20:07

I think soontobe was answering the question in the OP, feetle rather than making a general statement. Complete freedom of speech is an abstract ideal we may all promote but in reality, we exercise some discretion. Those poor people! sad

feetlebaum Wed 07-Jan-15 12:17:40

Yes, Terribull, free speech must prevail - or the savages have won.

(With the usual proviso that one must not shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre - unless it actually is on fire.)

feetlebaum Wed 07-Jan-15 12:09:58

I'm sure, Soontobe, that the magazine doesn't 'go far' enough to make murder inevitable or pardonable.

You cannot put permissible limits on criticism.

janerowena Wed 07-Jan-15 12:08:20

Oh dear. sad There's a huge arab population in France, that was never going to go down too well, statistically. That means the poor peaceful French arabs will be having a really rough time over the next few weeks.

soontobe Wed 07-Jan-15 11:58:26

11 dead and 10 injured apparently. A huge death toll sad

soontobe Wed 07-Jan-15 11:57:14

It sounds like this particular magazine goes too far.

Katek Wed 07-Jan-15 11:57:08

Just checked Beeb online and they're now saying 11 dead. Apparently the magazine's latest tweet was a cartoon of the Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

TerriBull Wed 07-Jan-15 11:50:23

Whilst we don't have all the facts, I have read that at least ten people have been killed at the offices of a satirical French magazine in Paris where gunmen have opened fire.

Given the troubled times we are living in should publications try to rein in the content of anything that might be deemed controversial to certain groups because scenarios like this one will make it hardly worth the loss of life/ves, or should free speech prevail at all costs?