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Are The Greens the new Raving Loony Party!

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magpie123 Sat 24-Jan-15 15:48:57

Greens: Progressively reduce UK immigration controls. Migrants illegally in the UK for over five years will be allowed to remain unless they pose a serious danger to public safety. More legal rights for asylum seekers.

Greens: Referendum on Britain's EU membership. Want reform of EU to hand powers back to local communities. Boost overseas aid to 1% of GDP within 10 years. Scrap Britain's nuclear weapons. Take the UK out of NATO unilaterally. End the so-called "special relationship" between the UK and the US.

Greens: Decriminalise cannabis and axe prison sentences for possession of other drugs. Decriminalise prostitution. Ensure terror suspects have the same legal rights as those accused of more conventional criminal activities.

The party backs a Citizen's Income, a fixed amount to be paid to every individual, whether they are in work or not, to be funded by higher taxes on the better off and green levies.

I think they are.

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 08:28:42

If prostestution is decriminalised then sex workers can set up their own businesses without being exploited by pimps and controlled by drugs and violence. They could keep what they earn and pay tax on it.

Human trafficking, is illegal and would remain illegal.

Elegran Sun 25-Jan-15 08:35:14

I thought that taking money for sex was already decriminalised? Isn't it "Living on immoral earnings" - someone else's immoral earnings - that is ilegal? That gets brothels closed down so that girls have no communal base to take clients back to, and no madam on-site to oversee problem clients. It increases their chances of being hurt, and means more business is carried out in clients' cars.

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 08:41:35

Currently, in the UK, sex work is technically legal - contrary to popular opinion (mainly influenced by cop dramas). Selling sex is not in itself illegal, but pimps, brothels and soliciting all are. While this sounds a reasonable compromise, it does mean that sex workers are often forced to work alone, or risk being arrested if (say) two escorts work out of the same flat.

With decriminalisation, by contrast, sex workers could work anywhere - even from their homes, or with other prostitutes - without breaking the law. Legalisation gives the employers the balance of power; decriminalisation returns rights to the workers, making them free agents.

janeainsworth Sun 25-Jan-15 08:54:09

I was wondering if the Greens intended to decriminalise the trafficking aspect.

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 09:01:29

hmm what a strange idea Jane shock

janeainsworth Sun 25-Jan-15 09:03:58

I agree Anya it is, but it did say 'all aspects of the sex industry' and trafficking is a part of that, isn't it?

Gracesgran Sun 25-Jan-15 09:04:40

I have found out how the Greens are getting such a rise in their "membership" as I received an email welcoming me to my local Green Party and saying I have joined H**** and District. I DID NOT. I email straight back but had heard nothing.

Gracesgran Sun 25-Jan-15 09:05:08

emailed!

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 09:14:29

Trafficking is, and always will be, illegal.

Pips are 'part of' some lemons, we don't normally include them in our recipes.

janeainsworth Sun 25-Jan-15 09:34:22

Recipes normally are quite specific as to whether you use the juice or the zest, Anya.

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 09:42:46

Are you related to Absent by any chance Jane? wink

OK let's look at this from a different angle. British jobs for British (Sex) Workers. That should cut out the trafficking.

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 09:43:43

Anyway I'd better get some work done around the house or I'll be traded in for a Philipino bride.

janeainsworth Sun 25-Jan-15 10:01:52

I do admire Absent's intelligence, clear-sightedness and logic, Anya.
Enjoy your housework smile

rosequartz Sun 25-Jan-15 10:10:36

The whole population could be blissfully stoned in a haze of cannabis smoke if the Greens get in. No- one will care about any policies - or anything at all.

In fact, the whole country could go to pot. grin

Good try, Greens!

Eloethan Sun 25-Jan-15 10:40:09

People are trafficked to work in all sorts of industries, and trafficking is illegal. The Greens have never suggested legalising the trafficking of people for any purpose and I think it's a very cynical move to suggest otherwise.

Mishap Sun 25-Jan-15 10:50:20

Take a look at the NHS and education policies before dismissing them completely.

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 11:05:20

You forgot to meantime her sense of fun and love of the ridiculous Jane

rosequartz Sun 25-Jan-15 11:11:38

Budget, budget, budget ?

petra Sun 25-Jan-15 11:13:40

I couldn't vote for the Green Party. It would mean I would have to listen to that awful Australian twang.

janeainsworth Sun 25-Jan-15 11:14:15

Thank you for clearing that one up Eloethan.
Not sure what's wrong with being cynical about politicians, whatever shade they present.

rosequartz Sun 25-Jan-15 11:20:05

petra shock
I won't tell my Aussie relatives, mind you they couldn't stand Julia Gillard's nasal tones.

rosequartz Sun 25-Jan-15 11:25:22

A degree of cynicism is healthy even if you mainly agree with most of the policies of the party they represent.
An important part of democracy I would have thought.
Otherwise one could suspect fear or brainwashing.

durhamjen Sun 25-Jan-15 11:45:58

I've just looked through the link I gave from the Green party manifesto and could find nothing about prostitution and sex trafficking on it.
However, I did find a link to a speech given by Jean Lambert, a Green Party MEP deploring sex trafficking in 2008.
It would be nice if we could hold the present government up to what it wrote in 2008 about the NHS and Education, etc.

Anya Sun 25-Jan-15 12:07:24

There's a difference in being cynical and deliberately suggesting something is otherwise as Eloethan quite rightly pointed out. That would smack of sophistry.

Ana Sun 25-Jan-15 12:19:51

Quite so, Anya!