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Jeremy Clarkson

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merlotgran Wed 11-Mar-15 13:35:59

Quite rightly he's being suspended but should the BBC be cancelling episodes of Top Gear?

If a man working in a factory punches a colleague he would probably be sacked but I doubt they'd remove the product he was making from the shelves.

granjura Fri 10-Apr-15 18:43:53

And some of those people bitterly complain about fat cats and bankers, etc, and yet don't seem do be concerned but this obscenity:

Mr Clarkson was paid £8.4million for his stake in a joint venture with BBC Worldwide which exploits Top Gear's global brand, on top of a £4.86million divident payment. He was also paid £1million for his salary as a presenter.

granjura Fri 10-Apr-15 17:55:59

My thoughts exactly Eloethan- why do so many people cheer for the violent bully? It is beyond me. Surely the fact they like his programme or some of his jokes or thinking on some issues - should be totally irrelevant? Do we say it is OK for a rapist to rape, because he is good at scoring goals for your local team? Just don't get it. I thought the days when violent bullies were loudly cheered were long gone- how sad it is to see they are not sad especially when the cheers come from intelligent people you normally respect.

Eloethan Fri 10-Apr-15 17:39:38

In the case of domestic violence, where it is thought that the injured person may be reluctant to press charges for fear of repercussions, a charge can be brought without the victim requesting it, provided there is thought to be sufficient evidence.

Surely the same should apply to a non-domestic situation where there is strong evidence that a person has been verbally and physically abused? Or does the police's decision not to bring charges arise because they know that, in a high profile case such as this, they will not have the ability to protect the victim from further threats and intimidation?

I suppose, though, that the young man in question just wants to try and get his life (and career) back to some sort of normality, and perhaps the police are reluctant to put him under what would undoubtedly be even more pressure.

It is saddening to me to see such a significant number of the British public rushing to a bully's defence - and yet worthy causes often have difficulty in generating any interest or support.

granjura Fri 10-Apr-15 15:50:31

Soutra, hmmm, no Clarkson is DEFO NOT THE VICTIM here- it is the other guy that has received death threats and more! The police cannot force him to, but they can certainly give him encouragement and support- and there were witnesses, including the person who pulled him off to stop the assault- which could have been a lot more serious had he not been stopped, as he had 'totally lost it'.

soontobe Fri 10-Apr-15 14:31:56

The police should take action when the facts are clear and the victim has been subjected to intimidation and even death threats- it is clear the producer is not pressing charges due to said intimidation

hmm. Tricky. Do they ever? Could they?
Without the main witness. And without someone's permission?

Soutra Fri 10-Apr-15 14:26:10

Jeremy Clarkson a victim? Now I have heard everything!! grin
#rudeuphimselfoverpaidgit

granjura Fri 10-Apr-15 14:20:06

The police should take action when the facts are clear and the victim has been subjected to intimidation and even death threats- it is clear the producer is not pressing charges due to said intimidation!

So now JC thinks he can play cat and mouse with the BBC too. Must say that does not surprise me. I sincerely hope they never ever give him another chance to return and play his stupid narcissic, games.

NanKate Fri 10-Apr-15 13:58:17

I read a sad letter in the paper recently about a fan of JC who was in his latter years. He saw JC in a pub and went up to say how he loved the show and how he found his advice on different cars very useful. However one of JC's reviews of a car this old gentleman did not agree with.

At this point JC got very narked at having his opinion questioned. He said something to the effect 'Go away little man I don't give a f* what you think'.

The man was devastated and would never discuss the incident with his family.

I know it must be annoying for celebrities to be spoken to when they are off duty, however this the price of fame.

Years ago I stopped Rudolph Nureyev in the street, he couldn't have been more charming. Perhaps JC needs to learn a little humility.

soontobe Fri 10-Apr-15 13:19:03

Victims often dont have enough courage.

Eloethan Fri 10-Apr-15 13:00:49

Even if JC is experiencing a personal crisis, I doubt that he is suffering as much as the young producer who said that it had been the worst few weeks of his life - he having received much abuse and some death threats.

Meanwhile, JC has painted himself as a "victim" who has been unfairly treated by the BBC, has received huge support from the general public and more offers of work, and the police say that because their policy on charging is victim-led and the producer was unwilling to make a complaint (who could blame him in the circumstances) no further action will be taken.

Jane10 Fri 10-Apr-15 12:52:34

He went round to that guys house to apologise but apparently wasn't let in. Don't know more than that.

soontobe Fri 10-Apr-15 12:38:57

From what little I have read, it sounds to me like he is man in a bit of a personal crisis. Some of it of his own making.
I suspect that he is actually going through some suffering.
Unless a person makes some apologies, personal or otherwise, I always think that they then end up carrying around a burden.
If you dont apologise, you cant get over what you have done.
Has he apologised to anyone? I dont remember seeing that he has.

Ana Fri 10-Apr-15 10:15:13

Well, it looks as though Clarkson has pulled out of presenting HIGNFY after all!

granjura Wed 08-Apr-15 21:11:51

see it, even ...

granjura Wed 08-Apr-15 20:47:01

Young children perhaps not- more talking about teenagers, who are very astute and will know hypocrisiy where they say it, and injustice.

merlotgran Wed 08-Apr-15 20:46:39

Neither will I.

I wasn't best pleased when DGD2 bought Russell Brand's book with the birthday money I gave her but she's an intelligent teenager and capable of forming her own opinions so I kept mine to myself.

Ana Wed 08-Apr-15 20:43:17

They're not going to see it as hypocrisy are they granjura?

He's not on Top Gear any more. That's all they're going to be bothered about. Do you really want to engage young children in debates about morality and hypocrisy and whether they should feel guilty if they happen to see JC on another tv progamme in the future? I don't, and certainly won't be giving any moral lectures on the subject to my own GC.

granjura Wed 08-Apr-15 20:41:31

Sort of as they did with Peodophile priests- just send them to another parish.

Jane10 Wed 08-Apr-15 20:41:15

Actually I suppose its good for kids to see that life's not necessarily fair.

granjura Wed 08-Apr-15 20:35:07

Of course, but the point is that he was sacked for violence towards another co-worker. Imagine a teacher being sacked when teaching maths then getting another job at the same school teaching biology. Or being sacked at one school, and then going on to another school to teach. What sense would that make??? Don't get it.

Surely it is not about whether we like him or not, like his shows or not- this ir irrelevant in this 'debate'. And kids are not stupid, they can see right through hypocrisy of that kind.

rosequartz Wed 08-Apr-15 19:52:40

What he did was wrong and totally out of order and I thought he had been sacked by the BBC which meant any and every programme.

However, if we took a moral stance on any programme in which someone appeared who had done something wrong we wouldn't be able to watch much at all.

Ana Wed 08-Apr-15 19:46:33

Probably the fact that he'd been sacked from Top Gear would be enough information for most GC, as that's all they know him from.

merlotgran Wed 08-Apr-15 19:42:52

confused

granjura Wed 08-Apr-15 19:36:08

Factual indeed- but would it make any sense to your GC- if you (in general sense, not personal) are trying to inculc some sense of morality and stance v. violence towards other human beings. It would not to me.

Ceesnan Wed 08-Apr-15 19:30:43

And I'm very much looking forward to the programme too!