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judges sacked for watching porn on work computers

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GillT57 Tue 17-Mar-15 11:04:55

Just announced on Radio 4 news, that 3 have been sacked and one had already resigned for watching porn on their office computers. Yet another sordid episode in this ghastly child abuse cover up concerning MPs and the establishment. There must be a few people waiting for the knock on the door......if judges are being sacked....the whole thing makes me sick to the stomach.

JessM Fri 20-Mar-15 12:15:35

They may have been using work lap tops or logged on to work website from home. I suppose. sad

nigglynellie Fri 20-Mar-15 09:48:13

If you MUST watch 'porn', at least do it in the privacy of your own home. For anyone, watching it at work beggars belief! But for people in a position of respectability and trust?! Words fail me!

JessM Fri 20-Mar-15 06:57:56

wearingthin porn is not "victimless" is it. sad It seems to be invading our culture and affecting so many lives. Powerful voices promote it and make a fortune out of it, such as Desmond who owns the Express and various horrible celebrity magazines.

wearingthin Thu 19-Mar-15 18:37:05

Having suffered 10 years of my husband being addicted to porn on the internet, I think that the damage to its influence on relationships and degradation of women is very underestimated. Also it shows great lack of judgement and morality from those in a respected position. I am glad that they were sacked. If they have to indulge, it should be out of hours and not paid for by public services or the taxpayer.

Iam64 Tue 17-Mar-15 18:52:20

Consensus on gransnet - hallelujah grin

janerowena Tue 17-Mar-15 18:23:53

A theft of 'company' time, I presume.

JessM Tue 17-Mar-15 17:33:26

Only of there is a charge TriciaF
Chat lines I assume are premium rates.

TriciaF Tue 17-Mar-15 17:07:43

As I said before it's a kind of theft, so could be illegal for that reason.
Whatever the moral rights or wrongs, if they want to watch porn they should watch it at home, on their own 'puters, in their own time.

janerowena Tue 17-Mar-15 16:58:44

It's sad really. Police commissioners over the limit who get waved through traffic police cordons, self-medicating surgeons, drug-taking pilots, politicians on the take, who can we trust really?

Me! I don't do any of that. Belgian buns are my only vice. I could be a judge. [retrievesblackcap]

JessM Tue 17-Mar-15 16:09:21

Suspect that IT had a trawl through their office and picked them up. You could probably get over the permission thing by telling everyone in the policy that the network will be monitored from time to time.
There are some professions in which a higher standard of ethics and behaviour are expected than ordinary jobs. Teachers, doctors, judges etc.
For people in other roles the disciplinary test might be "are their actions likely to endanger the organisation or bring it into disrepute".

janerowena Tue 17-Mar-15 14:24:32

Every large business that has a computer network of its own will have IT employees who can see exactly what is being looked at. They shouldn't do it unless specifically asked to, but they have the power to. There is always the danger that someone is looking over your shoulder at what you are typing, I suspect the judges were not exactly IT literate.

In France, or Italy, they would probably say that the morals of the judge are not relevant - what is required is the ability to see the morals of others objectively.

Maybe it would be safer if all judges were women. They do look at porn apparently, according to surveys, but not as much and in a different way.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 17-Mar-15 14:20:45

How come they were all discovered at the same time? Has there been a sudden sweep of all judges computers? confused Which professions will they get round to next?

loopylou Tue 17-Mar-15 14:04:26

It beggars belief!
These are people with highly respectable jobs who have been caught flaunting authority, arrogantly presuming they are above scrutiny.

TriciaF Tue 17-Mar-15 13:49:21

One of my work colleagues was caught out using works phone for those sexy chatlines, in working time . He wasn't sacked, but warned and embarassed. He was an Ed. Psych.
Was that almost the same? It's a form of theft.

GillT57 Tue 17-Mar-15 13:45:35

Agreed soutra despite lots of apologists for porn speaking out in its defence ( not on GN), it is generally accepted that porn degrades and demeans women ( and men) and I would be extremely concerned if any of these judges had been involved in sexual violence or rape cases. Apart of course, from the arrogance that assumes that all work place rules do not apply to them, and the sheer stupidity of not realising that they would get found out eventually. Not great people to be passing judgement on the rest of us.

feetlebaum Tue 17-Mar-15 13:32:12

By full-time, I mean to say salaried.

feetlebaum Tue 17-Mar-15 13:31:43

Some immigration judges are fee-paid, others are full-time. (I put a web-site together for the Council of Immigration Judges - their professional association.) It is a junior branch of the judiciary.

Galen Tue 17-Mar-15 12:49:40

All male. One was a recorder and one an immigration judge. A lot of 'judges' are in fact what used to be chairmen or magistrates in the past and have since become known as judge. They were only lawyers doing this part time. But as these had offices I suspect they must have been full time

Ana Tue 17-Mar-15 12:46:11

They were all men, but as viewing pornography per se isn't against the law it's unlikely any of them would have sentenced anyone for it. It could have played a part in other crimes, though.

Anya Tue 17-Mar-15 12:45:27

It's not acceptable. No ifs or butts (sorry).

Someone mentioned Caesar's wife....that's it exactly.

Stansgran Tue 17-Mar-15 12:33:22

Were they all male judges ? And were they looking at male / female / hetero porn? And had they sentenced anyone for this in their time in court? That's what I want to know.

JessM Tue 17-Mar-15 12:32:18

Yes I would agree soutra and nelliemoser reputable workplaces have detailed internet access policies spelling out exactly what you cannot do on a work computer. Breaking the rules would be a serious disciplinary matter, possibly leading to sacking.
A teacher for instance using their school laptop to access porn...

Soutra Tue 17-Mar-15 12:27:27

Not wishing to diminish the appalling nature of pornography involving children (or animals) but pornography remains pornography and degrades and exploits women. Let's not somehow "excuse" it by saying "at least it is not X, Y or Z"
Using a work computer to access pornography would result in most employees being subjected to disciplinary measures if not sacking. If we cannot look up to our judges, what hope is there? <head in hands>

Nelliemoser Tue 17-Mar-15 12:18:44

I despair of this, my work computers were linked in to a county wide IT system and the warnings about misuse of the county system were well publicised as there were very legitmate concerns about the dangers of any virus's entering this huge IT system, but stupid people still forwarded Emails, that had the sort of heading "Police Notice" etc with those very dubious warnings about some scam or other.

You would have thought that those judges would have had instructions about the use of the justice systems computers for any fully private use at all never mind accessing pornography on them.

Never mind the morality just think about their gross stupidity to have looked at this stuff on a work computer.

petallus Tue 17-Mar-15 12:16:35

Yes, but they could be hearing a case involving rape. Porn often portrays women as helpless victims being abused./

Imagine being a woman in court, having to go over awful details of an assault, and the judge has just come from getting off on porn.