Is Miliband posher than Cameron? And do we care?

Better than a PR freak

Is that the 'When you can't think of a good argument say something spiteful' maxim.

No. Cameron's only job was a PR man. It's the truth. That's why he gets a "good" press, because he knows how to manipulate the press.
I was just being short and succinct, because I know some people do not like reading long posts.

By the way, rose, I said that Miliband was shy and thoughtful and did not go to public school before university. Ana only picked up on the shy word.
Why did you not attack her for that?

I'm not the huge Cameron fan that you seem to think I am, durhamjen, but calling anyone a 'freak' is not on.

Why?
It means an enthusiast. He's a PR enthusiast, which is why people believed him when he said the NHS was safe in his hands.
I presume you remember the hug a husky episode? That's definitely PR freakery. Vote blue, get green was real PR freakery again.
I'll call him a liar instead, shall I?

All top politicians are good at PR in ALL the parties, either because they had jobs in PR, because they study it to get on in life or because they pay huge sums to PR firms to help them.You can think it's a good thing, or you can think it's a bad thing, but they all do it.

We need to remember that there are quite a number of state schools with academic records comparable with the top private schools, that ordinary families do not stand a snowball in hell's chance of getting into. The children of T Blair and D Cameron get into them, as do N Clegg's and no doubt in time so will D Milliband's.

When my children were at secondary school the biggest opponent to the state grammar school in the town, which took children from every state primary school in the educational authority area, was the headmaster of the best comprehensive school in the town. To get into that school you had to be able to afford one of the very expensive houses in the catchment area. It was, in fact, far more exclusive than the grammar school.

There are still many state comprehensives like that

So Miliband being shy and thoughtful is good Pr, is it, roses? If that's the case, why is he always being pilloried for it?

Why is Cameron announcing that he is not going to stand for a third term?
Good PR? Hoping that people will vote for him because they know he will not be PM as long as Tony Blair?
Trying to get one over on Osborne, as he's announced that he sees Boris or Theresa following him?

Weird isn't it. Taking it for granted almost that they are going to get in again.

Flick - I thought TB's and DC's children got into faith based schoold - not on cachement

Yes, jingl, that's what they are saying on news24 at the moment. They are also saying that he wants the chance to finish what he's started on education and welfare.
Heaven help us in that case.

I don't have the time to come on here as often as I used to but see not a lot has changed. As soon as someone makes a point for anyone other than Labour they get attacked. Not a discussion of different views, a bit like EM, he goes in for personal attacks too.

Don't understand the blinkered views, they all use PR, why isn't that blindingly obvious to you all as roses has already said? There are more ways of being 'posh' than going to a private school, obvious isn't it?

Just looked up 'freak' and got:

'a person, animal, or plant with an unusual physical abnormality'
and
'behave or cause to behave in a wild and irrational way, typically because of the effects of extreme emotion or drugs.' No don't think that applies to DC, not even to EM!

Could we have rational discussion please? The thread won't die out so quickly if we do.

Millibrand looks if he can't tie his shoe laces let alone run a Country. Labourites should blame the Unions for picking the wrong Milliband. Have you noticed the quiet return of brother David to the Media spotlight? Is he being moved into pole position when poor little Ed resigns.

'Shy and thoughtful' are not derogarory terms.
Calling someone a 'freak' is, sadly, reminiscent of the unenlightened olden days when disabled people were carted around on sideshows at fairs to be gawped at by the public.

Perhaps you meant 'geek' djen

However, neither term would describe DC imo.

A rational discussion about politics, on Gransnet or anywhere else, in a run-up to a General Election is alas unlikely; those with strong political affiliations bang on at each other, the rest of us by and large can't be bothered. One used to be able to mutter "A plague on both your houses"; now it's more "A plague on all your houses" as so many parties clamour for attention.

And many people seem to vote consistently all their lives anyway. Roll on 7 May and let's get it over.

Derogatory!

DGD is 'helping' so I will leave you to your 'political discussion'.

grumppa I was not saying derogatory to you, I was correcting my previous post.
You nipped in very smartly there! with a sensible post

Well, durhamjen, I personally hope he gets the chance to complete his plan for education at the very least, because that in my view is one of the the most important things on the agenda. A plan should have time to be completed. And Heaven help the teachers if another lot decide to give it all a makeover now.

I think he knew what he as doing when he said that. He made it clear that he would continue for the full five years.

Ana, who in the list is not an ordinary person , I mean ordinary as we are discussing it here, not public school educated, not titled or in line for a title, whose parents were not from the working classes, not bankers , not from the city . And I said the last labour government, yes they didn't win the last election which perhaps shows the people do not want ordinary people in government, they want posh because they got posh.

He did actually mention George O amongst the people who would be available to follow him. Which I think was very generous of him!

Lots of the last labour administration were 'posh' ( stupid wird)

What we need is well-educated.

Word!

Obviously you are all thinking - well she won't be any good, she can't even spell

You offering then rose?

Hammering people for the schools that their parents sent them to is not fair, hammering them for pretending they know what life is like for the majority of the electorate is fair, and this applies to all of them. I still think that we should have a 'none of the above' party to tick on our ballot sheets. As has been said, a plague on all their houses. If I was able to do so, I would cast my vote by post and then go and live in the hills of Spain until it is all over, a predict lots of silly and nasty talk over the next few weeks.