Green Party Manifesto and the Citizen's Pension

The Greens stopped offering the Citizen State Pension after Ms Lucas' interview on BBC Four.

Also the citizen income also got kicked into the long grass, as did the Living Wage policy.

The Greens offer the poor pensioners nothing at all now.

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Thank you, Gracesgran. I looked up the Browne Report as mentioned by GTwice. The main points are summarised below, but the proposals certainly were not just as simple as uncapping tuition fees, which would still be subsidised by the government in any event.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11519147

(I know this has nothing to do with the thread, just a point of interest perhaps)

I can find no reference to uncapping tuition fees in the Conservatives' 2010 manifesto, Gracesgran. Nor have I heard of it ever being proposed, by any party.

You are right Ana. I broke my own views on forum debates and didn't check on this. I believe that I heard this mentioned when one of the members of the Lib Dems. who was involved with the post election conversations with the Conservatives, was interviewed but I have no reference and I may have misheard about the timing.

Yup, he did'nt say Labour voters don't have a brain, I listened to that speech and thought it was very good.He said the Lib Dems would be the Conservatives heart and Labours brain.

He definitely did not say 'labour voters'.
Ana has posted the correct version.
Indeed, it may have made up the minds of wavering voters - to vote lib dem!

As you told someone else on another thread, you really should not exaggerate to make your point!

Nick Clegg said that in any future coalition the Lib Dems would be the Tories’ heart and Labour’s brain.

Not exactly what you are making out, durhamjen.

The libdems have just gone and lost a lot of wavering voters, by saying that Labour voters do not have a brain.

Grace - the proposal for uncapped fees was in the Browne Review which I'm sure reported after the election. But on the wider topic, I have never ever ever and never never would vote on the basis of what is in a manifesto. I never bother to read them as I can't be doing with so much fiction. And as we face another coalition government, manifestos are even more unreliable, if that's possible. Mishap I couldn't agree with you more- very well said. It's all about basic principles and values. And I could never in a thousand lifetimes espouse those of the Conservative Party.

As I have said before - parties make promises that cannot be kept once the realities of being in government (especially a coalition). By making promises they set themselves up for hatred and anger when they fail to keep them - even if they had no choice, and had to reach a compromise. The Lib Dems unwisely got themselves into this bind and are paying the price. But they, and all the other parties, are still making promises in this election campaign. They know they cannot all be kept, we know that too - so why make them? Why not just say these are the principles we wish to follow and we will get as close to this as we can, given the circumstances we might find ourselves in. I would vote for any party that said that!

I can find no reference to uncapping tuition fees in the Conservatives' 2010 manifesto, Gracesgran. Nor have I heard of it ever being proposed, by any party.

The Lib Dems, who thought they would not be in power last time had to rein back from the tuition fees debacle, because once they were actually in power, they could see that it could not be accomplished.

It's always nice not to be so partisan that we ignore the truth rosesarered. The Lib Dems could not have carried the vote so had to compromise as did the Conservatives whose manifesto said they would have completely uncapped tuition fees. If the Tories can, I have no doubt they would do this in the future.

No mollie65 I agree that Labour has moved to the right too. In fact the only parties that are really left of centre now are the SNP and Greens.

Well GracesGran I feel that many who applaud Labour may live to regret that too! the Conservatives and the Lib Dems together have done a good job of bringing the country back from the brink of disaster, which is why I think they deserve a second term.The Greens can say any old thing, as they won't ever, thankfully, be in power.The Lib Dems, who thought they would not be in power last time had to rein back from the tuition fees debacle, because once they were actually in power, they could see that it could not be accomplished.

thankfully just your opinion then - Gracesgran.
do tell how only the Conservatives have moved to the right but Labour has not done just the same thing.

What is your definition of "pie in the sky" Ana. Politics is many layered, as is the influence of parties and their ideas. We only have to look at how far the Conservatives have moved and would move us to the right to see that. I - and this is just my opinion - feel many who applaud them may live to regret it when control is pulled back to Whitehall and the NHS is a poor relation to what we have known and expected.

Of course, the super rich will not have to flee the country if they are allowed to carry on in their current direct of travel so that's OK then.

Afraid I can't help you there Ana, as obviously my maths isn't up to it.Somebody else will be along very soon to tell you!

I wonder how many have read about it and realised it was pie in the sky...

The Green Party pension promise extends to expats. I wonder how many of them have realised and have a vote?

But they have to say how they intend to fund their views of Utopia though, surely?

It's all very well the Greens saying they'll spend £177 bn on health, give everyone a guaranteed income of £70+ a week and single pensioners £180 a week and life will be wonderful for all, but it's just fantasy.

I agree with you all the way Mishap and am glad that somebody has said this at last.

I don't have a party that is my "own." I think that all the manifestos are flawed. And all parties, when they get power, find that many of their "promises" cannot be honoured.

I hope to vote for the party that demonstrates that they have vision, a global outlook and a care for the poor. I do not expect any of the parties to be able to honour all their promises, and I wish they would be honest and just say that these are their aims; and stop pretending that they can definitely deliver.

I'm guessing you may have, if you are really a Green voter.

Do you actually have a sense of humour DJen?

Only two of us have used that phrase, roses. And only six have commented, including you. I think you need to check your arithmetical ability.