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whitewave Sun 19-Apr-15 16:24:17

Just saw an advert relating to the migrants drowning in the Med. and a picture of someone carrying a baby - all you could see were two little feet in a pink baby grow and the rest of the baby was covered in a blanket she was obviously drowned. I cried.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 22-Apr-15 22:45:13

Don't know if it would change attitude. But it needs to be said.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 22-Apr-15 22:46:17

Although I suppose it wouldn't really work. It would fuel racism and resentment.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 22-Apr-15 22:47:56

Isn't it best to help the street children of Freetown in Freetown? Change Freetown?

durhamjen Wed 22-Apr-15 22:59:27

What is the reasoning behind it, jingl?
I am not Christian. I would not be accepted in this country.
None of my family are.
I have two members of the family who are foreigners, one Spanish, one Danish. They are not practising Christians either, so they would not be allowed in by Farage.

durhamjen Wed 22-Apr-15 23:00:24

And if you do not mind me saying so, jingl, that is not a very Christian attitude.

Ana Wed 22-Apr-15 23:00:48

Sigh...

absent Wed 22-Apr-15 23:20:34

jingl Europe is not the only place where there are large Christian communities.

How does anyone propose to weed out non-Christians? These people rarely have passports, let along confirmation certificates with them. What a Farage of nonsense!

Eloethan Wed 22-Apr-15 23:30:04

merlotgran You may well be right that arguing, debating, putting another point of view - whatever you might call it - will not change many people's minds. But the alternative is to hear something that we feel is outrageous or just plain wrong in terms of the facts and just say nothing.

durhamjen Thu 23-Apr-15 00:05:51

That's what I said the Christian Brothers do, jingl. They have moved to Freetown and set up orphanages and schools there for the street children.
My son's school sends pupils and staff out there to help build houses, etc.
However, they cannot go there now because of ebola, which, believe it or not, is still rife in West Africa. I can't imagine you would like your children or grandchildren to go to West Africa at the moment.

durhamjen Thu 23-Apr-15 00:09:34

If we do not let them in officially, they come unofficially.

This is then what happens in this country to those without papers, like absent mentions.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2015/04/22/comment-the-death-which-shows-the-human-cost-of-farage-s-hea

magpie123 Thu 23-Apr-15 10:02:07

durhamjen I am talking about the migrants not people already here, but you knew that didn't you, don't twist everything to suit your own agenda which is having a dig at Nigel Farage and the people that support UKIP. As if all the people who are not christians and already living in this country would have to leave where do you think we are living Nazi Germany, get real, have you no common sense. Obviously I feel very sorry for these people, but you can't take every migrant from every country who wants a better life and most people in the real world (apart from a handful on Gransnet) would agree with this.

Soutra Thu 23-Apr-15 12:17:21

Oh calm down dear * magpie*!!
It is not hard to have a dig at politicians and Nigel Farage is no exception..
I think people of most political persuasions would let their Christian charity or simple humanity overrule party politics.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Apr-15 13:03:27

Absent. "jingl Europe is not the only place where there are large Christian communities."

I find being spoken to like that really insulting. What gives you the idea that I am totally stupid?! I am well aware of Christianity in other countries, especially Africa. DON'T talk down to me Madam. hmm angry

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Apr-15 13:09:49

The reasoning behind it jendurham is that we can't possibly accept all migrants in this small island. I would have thought that was obvious. I have already mentioned the fact that Christians seem to be in huge danger in many parts of the world these days.

I don't know the answers, and I don't want to argue about it.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Apr-15 13:12:40

that is totally stupid to say that I wouldn't want my grandchildren to go to West Africa at the moment. Of course I wouldn't. I am well aware that Ebola is still rife in places. What was the point in even saying that? confused

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Apr-15 13:15:37

And your post about not being allowed in this country because you are Christian is ridiculous. You must understand what I'm saying better than that. I cannot believe you are really as thick as two short planks.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Apr-15 13:18:09

I agree we have to budge up and take as many of these people in as we can. It is heartbreaking to think of them being put on more seaworthy boats and sent back again.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Apr-15 13:21:03

I'm not sure I like the sound of "Christian Brothers". Sound like old school missionaries!

magpie123 Thu 23-Apr-15 18:55:27

Soutra are you durhamjen's spokesperson now, can she not speak for herself, or has it all got too much dear.

Soutra Thu 23-Apr-15 19:03:34

Helloooo!

I am really not sure whether you are always this snippy but please don't take whatever is bugging you out on me.
I am perfectlly at liberty to express my own opinion without having my head bitten off too.

<Retires behind sofa>

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Apr-15 19:07:17

Humph! That'll be the day.

magpie123 Thu 23-Apr-15 19:08:53

Soutra you were the one trying to be funny/sarcastic telling me to calm down dear, I am just responding, if you think my little post was trying to bite your head off, all I can say is you must have lived a very sheltered life dear!

Ana Thu 23-Apr-15 19:16:31

jingl, you're right there! grin

Soutra Thu 23-Apr-15 19:20:50

I always thought I had encountered all sorts in my professional life but on reflection, the majority of my encounters have been with considerate, reasonable and, well, basically, well-mannered people.

Like most "Grannies" in fact.

rosesarered Thu 23-Apr-15 21:03:17

grannies are just people who have lived a bit longer than others!