I might vote Tory but that doesn't make me a bad person

This thread is like The Mousetrap, it's going to run and run.

…with an equally tired and predictable plot "rosesarered*.

Yes, maybe we need a new show to watch, it's going round in circles now.

Until 2020! Groundhog Day.

But who has got you babe?

I suppose you could always ignore it if it bores you

Exactly, absent! So why the vilification for people who do vote conservative, such as 'vile Tory scum' etc? I am not sure I have ever seen posts on Social media saying things like that about people who vote for Labour, Greens, Libs.

Eloethan. No caring person could disagree with these proposals. But it was their grasp/attitude towards the economy that turned people away.
My vote against them was because of the horrors in Rotherham, when they were in power, and, their attitude towards what was happening at Mid Staffs hospital.

Can I ask, apart from nightowl, who still voted for Tony Blair at the time? And the second time too.

Is it only with hindsight, that you saw what he was like, and not at the time you were voting for him?

David Miliband - it sounds to me that there is no hope of those two brothers making up anytime soon.
But even though he might not have liked what Ed did[personally I couldnt see much wrong with it, I dont go in for the, well David is older so he should be leader train of thought], he should not really have talked publically I dont think.
I pity their mum. Apparently she is distraught over it all, as it has split the family apart. And she did not want that.

I do find it refreshing thogh how MPs are finally being open about what they really think. It is so refreshing after all the spin and question avoidance, and sweeping under the carpet.

The economy is always a problem for Labour's middle ground. In the past, they always somewhat shun creation of wealth. It comes across as being a bad thing to them. They have 40 or 50 years of image and probably realtity in that regard, to shake off.

Not against creation of wealth, against creating wealth on the backs of the working man by low pay, zero hour contracts, tax avoidance whilst their employees are taxed at source

I was reading today that employers won't have to keep the workforce happy by giving decent pay rises because there is a plentiful supply of people who are willing to work for low pay coming in from the EU.

What surprised me is that it was in the Daily Mail!

The point is though that employers will create wealth on the backs of working men if they can get away with it.

It's the highly skilled workers that are coming in from the EU. We need them.

^I might vote Tory but that doesn't make me a bad person.
It doesn't make you a good person either. In fact, it doesn't make you anything other than a Tory supporter^
And a person!! with hopes, dreams, feelings like anyone else.

Day6 I like your post from previous page. People conveniently forget that the Labour government ( I won't call them Socialists) brought in tuition fees and academies , and ideas that took away creativity in primary schools .

Not sure about the highly skilled bit. Some most definitely are. But a lot of them end up in costa coffee or on railway platforms just as an example. I suspect that a lot are middle, rather than high.

As no one has answered my question about voting for TB, I can only assume that people did, twice probably, and only saw afterwards, some of his, er credentials.

I didn't vote labour at that time. Can't remember if I was tempted to, but there was no chance of them getting in anyway, where I was.

perhaps read this soon. (takes a while to load)

Maybe we've already answered that question too many times before, soon, and do not wish to be reminded of the man.
Anyway, only those living in Sedgefield could have voted for him.

Yes durhamjen, got it in one, or was it two

Yes, I voted Labour after Tony Blair took us into the illegal war - which I had marched against. I wasn't voting for Tony Blair, I was voting for Labour because there was no other party that I felt I could support.

I don't think I would have voted for him personally.

Interesting link jingl. Thanks.
I had no idea that there were 1.5 million migrants here.

Can someone define "migrants" please? It is an emotive term, but does it include my husband's incredibly talented German Gastro consultant, his Maltese endoscopist the who is one of the top gastro enterologists in London, the cheerful Antipodean male nurse, the Muslim dietician, the Filipino nurse who also goes to DH's church or indeed any of the friendly and efficient Eastern Europeans who provide such excellent service in Pizza Express/Costa coffee or The Edinburgh Jury's Inn?

Don't know where that extra 'the' after endoscopist came from sorry!

I wondered that too. I just copied the link. I assumed other people knew exactly what it meant, and no one had commented.