I might vote Tory but that doesn't make me a bad person

Ah! Thank you, harri.

Yes, absent and soutra, re comments yesterday about supposedly intelligent people liking Russell Brand. I still find it odd that they do though.

Soop's kitchen, I am assuming. Those that don't agree with GT should go and have a virtual cup of tea.

Last night's rent-a-mob has nothing to do with Labour - that's like blaming the Tories for EDL-type violence.

SK?

Half the votes in Scotland...

Just checked and UKIP got 13% of votes cast.

many who espoused UKIPs more extreme view ended up voting Tory

How do you know this, gracesgran? UKIP actually got quite a lot of votes, which doesn't suggest to me that those voting UKIP changed their decision. Their having only one seat is because we don't have proportional representation. It's a similat thing to what hapoened in Scotland. Have the votes cast in Scotland were not for the SNP. Most of those voters are not now represented by the people they voted for.

Realise there is a confusion above - my first reference to last night was about the demo , my second was to the childish attempt to derail certsin threads. Well, well done, there's even more threads today. And you know what you can do if you don't like it ( go to SK and have a moan)

What happened last night was unacceptable. Which Labour supporters are associating themselves with this? and I lovevthe pejorative use of language 'gloating' 'vitriolic' - I think there are sme poor winners on GN who can't accept others right to criticise and not either keep quiet or admit they are wrong, as last night's behaviour showed. GG your post was brilliant - everything you said has been in the DM/ Sun whom I seem to recall support the Conservatives. UKIP my foot

Rosesarered I am quite prepared to believe that you, as a Tory voter (?) of the title, did not read and feed the coffers of the papers that created these cartoon views of groups of our population. I am also prepared to believe that you would never have made such sweeping generalisations yourself.

They are probably, as I said, just a small number of those voting Tory in just the same way that the press uses a small number of other groups to define them. You say this was just UKIP voters but many who espoused UKIPs more extreme view ended up voting Tory and the, what you might call the UKIP view, is embraced by far right or just unthinking (and they are in every party) Tory voter.

What I said was that the question seemed to be, to rephrase the title of the thread "why do you see me a bad person just because I voted Tory?" my answer was nothing to do with who lost or won the election, Labour voters could equally ask - "why do you see as wanting to spend, spend, spend?" It is because the press is lazy and many of the voters - of different shades - buy into that press.

no POGS I wouldn't much as I dislike labour
in 1997 I remember the gloating by the blairites but no-one went on an uncivilised rampage at the result. If I was a labour supporter I would not want to associate my cause with the 'rentamob' defacers.

Agreed!

You ruddy would if Labour had won though!

Percentages are interesting. To those who are scornful of the Conservative win using the percentage of votes to try and tarnish the result, there is one thing I will agree with you if using your methodology is legitimate UKIP should hold more seats than the SNP, Plaid etc.

trisher this has always been the case with FPTP as I tried to explain on another thread
nulabour when in power did not represent majority of the voters even though they won the most seats - nothing has changed and will not unless you have proportional representation.
why is this so difficult to get your heads round - it is not some dastardly Conservative trick introduced in this election.
and I was appalled at the 'rentamob' defacing statues and using the 60% jibe as one of their slogans. Do you know, Conservatives would not have done such a thing in the 1997, 2001, 2005 defeats however disappointed they felt at losing.

Oh I believe in democracy, what I don't believe is that a party that was voted for by just over 36% of the population should be able to introduce policies which just over 30% were opposed to and the rest had varied opinions about. Effectively the present system disenfranchised a lot of the population. Figures-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

if Labour had won the election, albeit with the help of the SNP, we Lib Dem and Conservative voters(we very very many!)would not be on here saying vitriolic daft things about Labour voters, yes, we would have been worried about the direction our country would have been taken in, just as you Labour voters are, because we have different ideas, but really GracesGranthe things you say are REALLY the things UKIP was saying, so ironic smiles doesn't cut it. We are all entitled to say why we don't like the outcome, but what you have just said illustrates why the OP started this thread.

Such a pity that there are so many sore losers about the election.

Of course I am rosearered [ironic smile]

I think GracesGran that you are actually talking about UKIP voters.

I think the problem is not that the Conservatives won but the people who lost don't believe in democracy #troubleoutsideDowning Street

Granny Twice
Far North
Durham Jen

You may find it amusing to tell other posters who do not conform to agreeing with you to F--K O-F as Granny Twice has told them too but do you really think that adds to your debate/argument.

I haven't read the entire thread as "I might vote Tory but that doesn't make me a bad person" didn't seem to apply to me but it did make me think about what it meant.

To be honest the conclusion I have come to may not be a popular one. What is obvious is that this thread headline is complaining about a one size fits all view of those who "vote Tory".

However, I have to ask who has demonised the immigrants, painting them as stealing "our" jobs, stealing "our" houses and living off "our" benefits" when clearly this only applied to a very small proportion of them.

Who demonised those claiming benefits as out-of-work, lazy scroungers, willing to live off "our" taxes when clearly this only applied to a very small proportion of them.

Who demonised the sick as people without a work ethic, without the sheer will to stiff upper lip their way through small weaknesses, who use sickness to get benefits using "our" taxes to pay for them when clearly this only applied to a very small proportion of them.

The demonization of these groups, and there are more, was done by the right wing press. Why - because it was what appealed to their right-wing voters. So we now have a culture that doesn't account for the nuances of "people who" we just lump them together and spew our venom on the group. We do not trouble to look at them as individuals; our press certainly doesn't and the right wing have encouraged this.

So really, although clearly only a very small proportion who vote Tory are "bad" in the sense of this thread, I believe this group is reaping exactly what they have sown.

It seems to be generally accepted just now that very few people who actually voted Tory are admitting it. The Telegraph blames the 'bullying left' (but they would wouldn't they)
I suppose at least GNs will speak up for what they believe.
(Apart from the infantile ones who seem to be regressing or something)

I will be fair to everyone dj, but I am never a mug.

She's much more entertaining. Soon