Gove and the Human Rights Act

There is a lot of concern about the human rights of the Trident whistleblower, and several human rights lawyers have said they would support him.
If Trident is going to be replaced, it sounds like they had better hurry up and do it.

According to this the scrapping of the human rights act is more political dynamite than the referendum, because of its implications in Europe, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2015/05/19/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-tories-human-rights-ac

UK human rights blog.

ukhumanrightsblog.com/2015/05/17/the-round-up-more-righteous-indignation-about-the-human-rights-act-in-both-camps/

That's what I thought, too. Found it on this blog

jackofkent.com/

But have no idea how I found that.

Thank you dj - that is a brilliant link. It synthesised a lot of random things I knew into a coherent whole. Mark Elliot has an impeccable academic pedigree

This is interesting GrannyTwice.
Normally anything in the government manifesto gets passed by the House of Lords, but this might not because it is such a fundamental change.

publiclawforeveryone.com/2015/05/11/replacing-the-human-rights-act-the-house-of-lords-the-parliament-acts-and-the-salisbury-convention/

Repeal of the HRA is in Cameron's first 100 days plan. How long do we have to wait, Ana?

But Ana, one reason for not waiting is that current reactions can be taken into account by the Government in the drafting without losing 'face'. They can hen say that they were never going to do that( whatever that is) anyway. It's pretty basic politics

Nothing at all - let's see what those proposals are before we get too worried about it though.

I am assuming the one section that those in (any) government most want to re think is the
'freedom of expression assembly and association'

because it can hamper the state's efforts to manage potential radicals/terrorists/ protestors etc.

Perhaps they need to set it up like a set of Top Trumps cards where one clause can trump another i.e Right to life trumps freedom of expression!

I am concerned that any reform may be used to limit the right to peaceful protest in public at a rally etc. Lobbying is already curtailed so the limiting of opportunity to express opposition or unity being reduced is a loss. I am sorry if this happens, Speakers Corner is a great part of British Culture.

My understanding is that the worry many people have is that the Bill of Rights would not be as comprehensive as the HRA . This could well mean that we won't be EConHR compliant and therefore would not be party to the convention. If the Bill is ECHR compliant, why is it then necessary to replace the HRA with it? The HRA ( which was passed with cross party support) had the big advantage of UK citizens bring allowed to use our domestic courts rather than have to go to Strasbourg. The Supreme Court is not bound by ECHR judgements but csn take them into account. I still really don't see what the problem with the HRA is unless the Government wants to take away some of the rights within it. Now that seems worth worrying about and initiating some preemptive strikes. What's wrong with that?

Do you?

I presume you've read the Amnesty link and disagree with it, then, Ana and mollie.

I agree with you mollie that a lot of the stuff going round about the 'proposed abolition of the Human Rights Act' is ridiculously OTT.

Anyone would think DC was suggesting we abandon all of the rights set out in the OP completely and just have a Tory bill for Tory people in its place...

Isn't 'hysterical' an emotive term?

ah the personal attacks again from G2 - is it something I have said ?
if you read the OP - that was scaremongering that all those rights enshrined in the ECHR would be 'abolished' - really

why is there a petition calling for a referendum when nothing has been explained about what will happen with any new bill of rights?
so many people do get so hysterical and bring up emotive terms to alarm everyone without knowledge of the true facts.

Well that would have been equally wrong - under Blair a great many liberties, freedoms and right were attacked

And what's with the 'scaremongering'? Do you mean the reasoned debates that are going on, not just here but across the legal and political spectrum? The Runneymede Tories for example?

sorry that should have been nulabour

you did notice that Labour were looking at replacing/building on the HRA

I know it was 5 years ago but relevant nontheless

Well that's a completely neutral source isn't it?

some background - without the associated scaremongering
www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/key-issues-for-the-new-parliament/security-and-liberty/from-the-human-rights-act-to-a-bill-of-rights/

Yes, so did I.