Do some Tory voters now regret their decision?

Spot on!!!

Time to move on methinks - it's done

If you are living here for a number of years or in some cases are born here then you should pay the same tax as everyone else. If you are not prepared to do that you are welcome to leave. The economic justification is highly questionable. All employers benefit from the taxes we pay in when they use our infrastructure and their employees were educated by statefunded schools. Any employers, who dodge tax are in effect on state subsidies. We would be better off without them.

Ana

I have been known to live in it

mumster - to an extent I agree it is a strange anomaly - I believe they pay a flat fee of £90,000. I would imagine anyone who has that level of wealth might not be too dependent on our infrastructure insomuch as they would undoubtedly use the services of private doctors and hospitals and educate their offspring at fee paying schools. Again I would say if they provide employment to UK citizens then that is a good thing.

Mumster

Question

A university lecturer takes a 3 year contract with a University in England but he is a Japanese citizen. He owns a home in Japan and rents it out whilst in the UK, he has a small business employing 4 Japanese people and pays relevant taxes to the government of Japan.

He takes the job and is classed as a Non Domicile, that means he is required to pay UK taxes on money earnt in the UK but his Japanese taxable affairs are not included because of the Non Dom status.

You believe that he should pay tax on his UK job, his rental fee for his home, his tax affairs with his business to both the UK Treasury and also the Japanese government? In other words paying his tax twice over.

Isn't that what stopping the Non Dom status means, you may be able to put me right!

. If you look very carefully at what Labour were saying I don't think ALL Non Dom status affairs were being stopped but quite rightly the Inherited Non Dom Status does have merit to be stopped. Pity Labour didn't do it when in government for 13 years .

I am willing to be told I have made a mistake in how I percieve the Non Dom Status rule to apply as it is quite a complicated matter.

But how many are here for just a short period? I thought Labour were thinking of exempting those here for less thsn 5 years? I have a real beef with the inherited status - I mean really? And those who are clearly living here for the long haul . And why do other countries not offer this? Anyway, this is dead in the water now isn't it and certainly not the biggest issue

POGS The Labour Party was proposing limiting the period of time that non-dom status could be claimed to, I think, seven years.

I think it is accepted by most people that those who come to this country to work on specific projects or who have time-limited contracts, etc., but who do not intend to make the UK their permanent home, should be granted non-dom status for a limited period.

What I think is totally unacceptable is when people who live here for many years or who even intend to live here for their entire lives are allowed to be classified as non-doms.

Apparently we are the only country in the world that has this sort of arrangement and it seems quite fair to me that it should be time-limited.

This country, unlike many other countries in the world, has a stable and democratic political system, relatively low levels of corruption in public servants, responsive and relatively well resourced emergency services, a good road and rail network, a wealth of well maintained public amenities such as museums, galleries, parks, libraries, etc., and is a relatively safe place in which to live. All this infrastructure has been paid for and maintained out of taxation.

Anyway, the Conservative Party is not in favour of applying time limits to non dom status so those benefitting from it must be quite happy.

No it's not dead in the water is it, it is raised as a stick to beat the conservatives with time and again and will continue to be, hence Mumsters post and my question.

Do you think the scenario I put forward is fair Granny Twice.

People were led to believe by Labour all Non Dom status was going to be stopped and it was not true. This is what I mean by you have to look for what they don't say most of the time that gives you information.

I agree it is a pity that no government has had the political will to deal with non-dom status which is an anachronistic status left from British colonialism. However, I referred to those who had lived here for a number of years or who claimed non-dom status from their father, again primogeniture, another anachronism. As to how long a person could or should be allowed to reside or work here before paying tax on overseas income is concerned, is open to debate. I think more than three years was the proposal put forward recently. As to the hypothetical Japanese lecturer, I should imagine that would be something for his accountant to negotiate. Also if such anomalies do exist shouldn't the legislative process address that? I agree it is a complex process but just because something is difficult, it should not be impossible and neither should complexity be used as an excuse for not tackling something which is clearly outdated and morally questionable.

That scenario would not happen and whilst it is dead in the water , mumster or anyone else can raise it as a stick any time they want to beat the Conservatives because its a completely indefensible position that is completely and utterly typical of this morally bankrupt government that we have now who are there to govern on behalf of the rich. And it was quite clear what Labour were saying at the time but of course why would we ever expect that to be reported accurately?

Good post Ariadne

Even those who have voted this Government in may not agree with everything in their manifesto.
It's a case of swings and roundabouts.

And unexpected events may occur which may precipitate decisions with which we may not agree.

This country, unlike many other countries in the world, has a stable and democratic political system, relatively low levels of corruption in public servants, responsive and relatively well resourced emergency services, a good road and rail network, a wealth of well maintained public amenities such as museums, galleries, parks, libraries, etc., and is a relatively safe place in which to live. All this infrastructure has been paid for and maintained out of taxation

Please could someone forward the above statement, full of common sense, to Lily Allen.

So how do you feel about inherited British citizenship, mumster?
Are you against that too?

I do agree, though, that the non-dom status needs re-addressing.

For what it's worth I agree that the non dom status needs a review, particularly the inherited status which clearly needs to be revoked.

We all agree with that then, blimey!

TerriBull

Like you, I suppose they do use private health care and the private school system, more than the majority of the population. I was referring to tax funded elements in a wider context. Their empoyees have been educated, probably through state funding. Whatever skills such employees have, which are utilised by their employer have been paid for by taxation. The same goes for the health and wellbeing of employees, how they travel to work etc. Not just emloyees, but the people who serve them in coffee shops, build houses, everyone we come into contact with, in the most part, how our goods are transported, our roads maintained. They do not live in splendid isolation. It is about time we stopped looking at them as if they are our benefactors, and think about how much we do for them.

I do not have any strong views on inherited citizenship British or otherwise, as long as people pay their fair share of taxes here. Perhaps this question of dual citizenship should be tackled by Boris Johnson. I seem to remember he inherited American citizenship from his father and when the American Government pursued him for payment of a substantial tax bill, he renounced his American citizenship. They do not seem to have a problem with people needing to pay taxes twice. Hope this suggestion is helpful.

mumster - could you not levy that argument about anyone from abroad who comes to our country either to work, or as a tourist - they will be using our transport system, our coffee shops, living in accommodation built by our citizens, but presumably they will be paying for those services thus putting money back into our economy. By equal measure, we have drawn on the services of foreign born professionals, doctors, nurses and the like. Those coffee shops and homes may have been built or staffed by people from abroad, we use their skills, their knowledge and education all funded elsewhere.

Should they pay tax in Britain on their earnings overseas, if they have paid tax in the country where they received them?

Welcome, mumster I have not noticed any of your posts previously pre-election threads, perhaps I have missed them

I was addressing the argument that the nondoms cannot be taxed on equal terms with the majority of taxpayers because they are doing us a favour by spending their money here. It's the old fear tactic- if we stand up for what is fair and morally defensible, then they will leave the country, take their businesses elsewhere, people will lose jobs.......

Wherever we go in the world, we rely on infrastructure etc The point is we need to look at nondom status, tax avoidance by huge global corporates, like Amazon and tax havens through another lense, get another perspective on it. We give them our money, they do not give us employment out of the goodness of their hearts. They live, work and play here, because they choose to. Let them leave, if they like. Most of the time companies move because they can get a cheaper workforce in other countries, look what happened to clothing manufacture. They are more likely to leave if we exit the European Union, at the moment. "We can't do anything because we are helpless, they will take their money elsewhere," is the argument I find spurious. Time to abandon the victim status and show a bit of British courage.

I don't see us as 'victims'

Look I agree with you about Amazon and their ilk mumster

rosequartz

Are you referring to my Boris quote? Paying tax in both countries on money earned here, did not seem to bother the Americans. I think that they believe that if you have citizenship you pay on any income wherever it is earned. If it is non-dom status, it is such a peculiar British anomaly, that I am not sure there are any models to draw on. If it is good enough for the Americans, then...

I do not regret my voting decision but I do regret the outcome of the election. However 'the people' have spoken. I will continue to hold my political beliefs and values and argue and fight for them. I will not 'get over it' if what is meant is that I give up putting my opinions forward.

I do believe in 'positive' future campaigning and not 'blame' games.

I will joke about individual politicians and comment on their political decisions but I try hard to focus on policies and not 'personalities'. Though with the rise of the career politician personality is often an issue!